Why do Pacquiao's opponents get paid more money than Floyd's opponents?

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  • Deevel916
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    #61
    Originally posted by The Big Dunn
    that's not according to Floyd. Read the article I sent you above. The author indicated Manny is usually guaranteed around that amount and then gets the bulk of his total purse from PPV.
    Well Floyd did say that. During the entire back and forth money split negotiations, Floyd stated that Pac's highest purse was $6mil so there was no way he was going to give him a 50/50 split.

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      #62
      Originally posted by Deevel916
      Well Floyd did say that. During the entire back and forth money split negotiations, Floyd stated that Pac's highest purse was $6mil so there was no way he was going to give him a 50/50 split.
      He may have been basing it on the NSAC. But instead of going by Floyd (or Arum)...why don't we go by what they have filed as their guarantee by law?

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        #63
        Originally posted by Deevel916
        Well Floyd did say that. During the entire back and forth money split negotiations, Floyd stated that Pac's highest purse was $6mil so there was no way he was going to give him a 50/50 split.
        I get that by saying "Floyd said it" you can then call him a liar and then argue the number is false for that reason. Its the guarantee on record in Nevada as Imdazed is telling you. Its as if you don't want to acknowledge that.

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          #64
          Originally posted by IMDAZED
          That whole "bulk from PPV" angle doesn't make sense. Yeah I could see another $5-7m. Tops $10m but that's a stretch. Anyway, Pac is still the second highest paid fighter in the world. Clocking $15m a fight is nothing to sneeze at.
          of course not-the only problem for most of the people arguing is Floyd makes 2-3 times as much.

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            #65
            Originally posted by The Big Dunn
            I get that by saying "Floyd said it" you can then call him a liar and then argue the number is false for that reason. Its the guarantee on record in Nevada as Imdazed is telling you. Its as if you don't want to acknowledge that.
            For those that are wondering about the difference in numbers reported to the Nevada State Athletic Commission (NSAC), a large reason is due to the division of the $22 million guarantee between Pacquiao and his promotional company, therefore the bout agreement that's submitted to NSAC would likely only show the $13.5 million that's set aside as Pacquiao's actual purse. Furthermore, as promoter Bob Arum pointed out, under the rules of NSAC, he's only required to provide the commission the amount he's actually paying Pacquiao on the night of the fight, which amounts to the $6 million that NSAC reported. The remainder of the $13.5 million purse ($7.5 million) is paid over a timeframe usually within 30-60 days after the fight. The remaining guarantee to Pacquiao's promotional company ($8.5 million) is also likely paid out during that same 30-60 day timeframe.

            So to summarize, on the night of the fight, Pacquiao gets cut a check for $6 million (minus expenses), and then he gets the remainder of his purse guarantee ($7.5 million) and his promotional guarantee ($8.5 million) spread out during a timeframe after the fight, thus totaling the $22 million guarantee ($6 million + $7.5 million + $8.5 million) that was promised to him. It should be noted that prior to Pacquiao, or any other fighter for that matter, receiving his check on the night of the fight, he is deducted a number of expenses, including manager/trainer fees, NSAC drug testing fees, advances, tickets purchased, and other incidentals. Furthermore, because he is a foreign fighter, roughly 30% ($1.8 million) is automatically set aside for the IRS, so that $6 million can quickly be cut in half.


            With all the latest talk about guaranteed purses and revenue splits, I decided to take a much closer look into the anatomy of a bout agreement,

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              #66
              Originally posted by The Big Dunn
              of course not-the only problem for most of the people arguing is Floyd makes 2-3 times as much.
              Yeah, this isn't about what Floyd says, it's about what Arum and Pacquiao filed by law with the commission. And what they filed makes a lot of sense.

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                #67
                The purse is not only what the fighters earn. You have to look into PPV sales, gate sales, TV rights, etc to make the case whole.

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                  #68
                  Originally posted by Deevel916
                  For those that are wondering about the difference in numbers reported to the Nevada State Athletic Commission (NSAC), a large reason is due to the division of the $22 million guarantee between Pacquiao and his promotional company, therefore the bout agreement that's submitted to NSAC would likely only show the $13.5 million that's set aside as Pacquiao's actual purse. Furthermore, as promoter Bob Arum pointed out, under the rules of NSAC, he's only required to provide the commission the amount he's actually paying Pacquiao on the night of the fight, which amounts to the $6 million that NSAC reported. The remainder of the $13.5 million purse ($7.5 million) is paid over a timeframe usually within 30-60 days after the fight. The remaining guarantee to Pacquiao's promotional company ($8.5 million) is also likely paid out during that same 30-60 day timeframe.

                  So to summarize, on the night of the fight, Pacquiao gets cut a check for $6 million (minus expenses), and then he gets the remainder of his purse guarantee ($7.5 million) and his promotional guarantee ($8.5 million) spread out during a timeframe after the fight, thus totaling the $22 million guarantee ($6 million + $7.5 million + $8.5 million) that was promised to him. It should be noted that prior to Pacquiao, or any other fighter for that matter, receiving his check on the night of the fight, he is deducted a number of expenses, including manager/trainer fees, NSAC drug testing fees, advances, tickets purchased, and other incidentals. Furthermore, because he is a foreign fighter, roughly 30% ($1.8 million) is automatically set aside for the IRS, so that $6 million can quickly be cut in half.


                  http://www.fighthype.com/pages/content11641.html
                  You totally skipped out on several key lines in that article. Starting with:

                  Furthermore, those numbers are simply based on a projection of what the net profits will amount to at the conclusion of the event; a worst case scenario if you will. Obviously, if the event is more profitable above and beyond the projection, then Pacquiao will still be entitled to 72.5% of the remaining profits. That's the reason why his minimum guarantee is an advance against the total net profits, meaning whatever the final net profits turn out to be, his $22 million guarantee ($13.5 million purse and $8.5 million promotional guarantee) is subtracted from the total before his 72.5% is calculated. It's also important to note that this is a co-promotional agreement, and as such, Manny Pacquiao is responsible for a portion of the promotional expenses, which also get deducted from the net profits before his 72.5% is calculated.

                  And: Keep in mind, the $22 million that Pacquiao was guaranteed prior to the event was an advance against the net profits. In other words, the $22 million that he collects after the fight is subtracted from the 72.5% of the net profits that he's entitled to, so that $25.7 million is quickly reduced to $3.7 million. Those net profits can be reduced even further if Pacquiao has taken any advances prior to the fight, which he's been rumored to do in previous fights.

                  That's why Arum can only guarantee so little on fight night.

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                    #69
                    Originally posted by Deevel916
                    For those that are wondering about the difference in numbers reported to the Nevada State Athletic Commission (NSAC), a large reason is due to the division of the $22 million guarantee between Pacquiao and his promotional company, therefore the bout agreement that's submitted to NSAC would likely only show the $13.5 million that's set aside as Pacquiao's actual purse. Furthermore, as promoter Bob Arum pointed out, under the rules of NSAC, he's only required to provide the commission the amount he's actually paying Pacquiao on the night of the fight, which amounts to the $6 million that NSAC reported. The remainder of the $13.5 million purse ($7.5 million) is paid over a timeframe usually within 30-60 days after the fight. The remaining guarantee to Pacquiao's promotional company ($8.5 million) is also likely paid out during that same 30-60 day timeframe.

                    So to summarize, on the night of the fight, Pacquiao gets cut a check for $6 million (minus expenses), and then he gets the remainder of his purse guarantee ($7.5 million) and his promotional guarantee ($8.5 million) spread out during a timeframe after the fight, thus totaling the $22 million guarantee ($6 million + $7.5 million + $8.5 million) that was promised to him. It should be noted that prior to Pacquiao, or any other fighter for that matter, receiving his check on the night of the fight, he is deducted a number of expenses, including manager/trainer fees, NSAC drug testing fees, advances, tickets purchased, and other incidentals. Furthermore, because he is a foreign fighter, roughly 30% ($1.8 million) is automatically set aside for the IRS, so that $6 million can quickly be cut in half.


                    http://www.fighthype.com/pages/content11641.html
                    and when your back is against the wall-post an article from fighthype. Would it be ok if I dug up some of your comments about fighthype?

                    well it seems that they only report $6 mil to Nevada as the guarantee but its clear that he is going to get more.

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                      #70
                      Originally posted by The Big Dunn
                      and when your back is against the wall-post an article from fighthype. Would it be ok if I dug up some of your comments about fighthype?

                      well it seems that they only report $6 mil to Nevada as the guarantee but its clear that he is going to get more.
                      Well its the only article that thoroughly breaks down how Pac's purse money is structured.

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