What are the rules for clinching?

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  • torosboxing75
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    #51
    Originally posted by MRCHOKEaMF
    Well if you let chino clinch he will try to knee you in the nuts, everyone knows this and Chino proved it in the first fight, then he bites the opposing fighter. When is enough enough? How cant you see he is a classless fighter, dirty fighter, he needs to be suspended and fined just like Tyson was for biting Evander. No place in the sport for that are or you cool with those tactics in boxing?
    You know how many times Floyd threw his elbow into Chinos mouth and Bayless said nothing. In the 11th Floyd throws a vicious elbow to Chinos chin to back him up and Bayless says nothing a couple seconds later Chino does the same and Bayless is all over him and even though there isn't any proof of Chino biting because in the replay you don't see it. I can honestly say I know Chino bit him but I can also honestly say it was in retaliation for Floyd covering his mouth to suffocate him. Floyd fought dirty to lets not get it twisted it's just Chino didn't complain only when he got hit very low the one time and Floyd cried and exaggerated every chance he got.

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    • ManUtd626
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      #52
      This fight had lots of clinching and the vazquez fight probably had twice as many clinches. The ppv should have been called The Clinch.

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        #53
        The rules are somewhat contradictory. A fighter is expected to protect oneself at all times, including a clinch at times. Clinches are initiated when there is a legitimate tie up. During this tie up the other arm can work. When a fighter holds to stop a punch that is wrong and that is what Klitschko did against potavkin and what Floyd did against Chino. Bailess was paid and there to be like Ottke's ref was! The gloves prevented chino's punches from flooring Floyd...the whole thing wa absurd...And To top it off? where was Chino's corner? never said a word. part of the payola? who knows,

        its pathetic though. My previous estimation of Floyd went way down, he cheats and he did break the rules by initiating a clinch before the fighters tied up in attempting to work. Glad I don't pay for the fights thats all

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          #54
          Originally posted by torosboxing75
          You know how many times Floyd threw his elbow into Chinos mouth and Bayless said nothing. In the 11th Floyd throws a vicious elbow to Chinos chin to back him up and Bayless says nothing a couple seconds later Chino does the same and Bayless is all over him and even though there isn't any proof of Chino biting because in the replay you don't see it. I can honestly say I know Chino bit him but I can also honestly say it was in retaliation for Floyd covering his mouth to suffocate him. Floyd fought dirty to lets not get it twisted it's just Chino didn't complain only when he got hit very low the one time and Floyd cried and exaggerated every chance he got.
          He warned Floyd once about it and as soon as the action started again he threw the forearm right into Maidanas chin and neck and the ref said nothing lol..bad night for Bayless, he's regarded as the best or one of the best at least.

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          • NEELZ
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            #55
            Originally posted by DoktorSleepless
            Both holding and clinching is illegal according to the Nevada Atheltic Comission rules. There's no need to differentiate.



            What annoys me the most is when people complain about the ref breaking apart fighters too early. "Bayless isn't letting Maidana fight inside by breaking them apart too early! He still had one hand free!"

            The ref should absolutely break them apart. Always. There should be zero holding and clinching period. Maidana should not be fighting when he's being clinched or held because the clinching/holding shouldn't be happening in the first place. Ref needs to break them apart, warn the clinching fighter, and take points off if they keep on doing it. "Breaking apart too early" shouldn't even be a thing because the ref should have taken points off by then.

            If Maidana wants to work on the inside, he should be able to without being held. If Mayweather doesn't want to fight on the inside, he needs use his legs and move the fuck out of the way, not hold.
            Agree 100%. Bayless is supposed to disengage clinched fighters, as quickly and efficiently as possible. That is what he did. So I think Bayless did his job. Bayless was also heard verbally warning Mayweather about clinching.

            Mayweather clinched some in this fight, but not as excessively as some people make it sound. Somebody said he averaged 20 clinches a round, which would be 240 clinches
            Last edited by NEELZ; 09-15-2014, 05:12 PM.

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            • Larry the boss
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              #56
              Originally posted by torosboxing75
              that's my point it was a close fight and Chino shouldn't be giving Floyd these kind of problems
              He is almost 38, he clearly is no longer prime and hell he is old..but still on top of his game

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                #57
                Originally posted by ManUtd626
                This fight had lots of clinching and the vazquez fight probably had twice as many clinches. The ppv should have been called The Clinch.

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                • torosboxing75
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                  #58
                  Originally posted by LarryXXX
                  He is almost 38, he clearly is no longer prime and hell he is old..but still on top of his game
                  I agree but still very vulnerable now. I think Manny stops this version of Floyd.

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                    #59
                    Originally posted by Zano-24
                    How come there wasn't any complaining about clenching in the Porter vs Brook fight?
                    Trust me, there were. I was one of them.

                    The problem as I see it is that the rules only state that clinching is illegal. How it is dealt with is totally at the referee's discretion. Some referees deduct points after only a few clinches. At the other end of the spectrum, the referee in the Ruiz-Golota fight allowed Ruiz to initiate 168 clinches without recieving a warning.

                    The rules and judging criteria in boxing are much too vague for my liking. If one of the governing bodies were to address this they would distinguish themselves from the other 3 and do boxing a huge service.

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                    • torosboxing75
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                      #60
                      Originally posted by Jsmooth9876
                      He warned Floyd once about it and as soon as the action started again he threw the forearm right into Maidanas chin and neck and the ref said nothing lol..bad night for Bayless, he's regarded as the best or one of the best at least.
                      Exactly and he did it right in front of Bayless. He threw that forearm several times but that was the worst and Maidana didn't put no acting show he just kept fighting but when Maidana threw his forearm in behind a punch later that same round Floyd puts on a show and Bayless is all over Maidana. Also the replay clearly shows that because of Floyds excellent defensive skills, the forearm just grazed him. While Floyds landed clean sending Maidana back earlier that round.
                      Last edited by torosboxing75; 09-15-2014, 06:14 PM.

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