Floyd Mayweather Jr Lost a Step? Statistics Show Otherwise

[radioraheem]

despite my first post in this thread, i partially agree, for the most part he is about prime except for his stamina

his defense has always been overrated anyway, he's been hit plenty in alot of fights, hurt on numerous occassions through-out his career

and maidana more than anything was just a stylistic nightmare for mayweather

I agree with this. Maidana is just a stylistic problem for Mayweather. No matter how many times they fight, Floyd will never look amazing against him. And you are also right that he has been tagged and hurt in fights throughout his career. I don't think his defense is overrated though. No matter how great a fighter is defensively, they still get hit. Pernell Whitaker was still getting dropped to the canvas and he was amazing defensively.

To me, Floyd is held at such a high level, that people look at him with a microscope for any flaws. I think Pacquaio receives similar type of criticism, where people expect too much from him.

[Doctor_Tenma]

What's most noticeable, and I do mean most, is that at times when guys come in he isn't no where near as good at moving into different angles and countering. Mayweather is forced to stand there, making himself more presentable a target.

Maidana has to be given credit, again he bends his knees and every time Mayweather started leading Maidana would get low, trying to bait Mayweather into a counter.

[-Kev-]

Nice shot, but the bell had rung and Floyd got careless, dropped his guard. Obviously, he didn't even attempt to block. He was perfectly fine when he guided Maidana back to his corner several rounds after that, which Maidana actually did twice.

A free shot, and Floyd barely got disoriented for like 2 seconds. Mosley got a fully aware Floyd and hurt him bad.

[IronDanHamza]

So you feel that Floyd went from super fast to just fast. Or He went from super fast to slow? If so, where re the losses?

Surely, Canelo, Cotto, Maidana, Mosley are better than what the prime Mayweather was fighting in N'Dou, Bruseles, Baldomir, Sosa, Agustus. You don't think for one second, that maybe, Floyd is fighting better opponents now than he was fighting 2001-2005 excluding Castillo, Corley and Corrales? That has nothing to do with it?

He slowly but surely declined in speed over 18 years. Which obviously is completely normal.

He hasn't lost because he's extremely skilled first and foremost, he's extremely well rounded and extremely smart in the ring.

Added to the fact whilst he's clearly in decline and much slower in both hand, foot and reflexes he's still very good in all those areas. He still has fast hands and fast reflexes, just no where near what they were.

Well why are we excluding fights? His best wins were in that time period.

01-07 (His prime-peak) he fought Corrales, Chavez, C.Hernandez, Castillo x2, Judah, Oscar and Hatton.

That list of fighters is ATLEAST the same level as his opposition from 09-14 and in all reality it is probably stronger actually.

So that point's pretty moot.

[chav]

Floyd's worst performances were in his prime. People are overreacting. Yes he is 37, going on 38, but his body is young. Just saying, people are overreacting. Only thing he's lost is his power from 130. Otherwise, he's the same Floyd, and even better than he was in 2002-2005 when he was getting tagged by Castillo, Corley and Mitchell.

Kev, are you trolling us?

Serious question as that is some whack ass post saying that he's better now then he was 10+ years ago.
You need to get some glasses son, unless you are trolling?

[-Kev-]

Do any of you disagree that from 2009-2014, Floyd has fought better and tougher opponents(for the most part) than he did from 2000-2005?

Marquez, Ortiz, Mosley, Cotto, Guerrero, Canelo, Maidana.

Vargas, Burton, Corrales*, C. Hernandez, Chavez*, Castillo* 2x, Sosa, N'Dou, Corley*, Bruseles, Gatti, Mitchell.

I mean you have Corrales, Castillo, Corley and Chavez who were good fighters at the time, legit threats(except for Corley who was heavy underdog but ended up being tough).

I want to know your answer for this so I can continue my debate.

[joseph5620]

Yes I absolutely disagree.

I believe he'd beat all 3 but there's no way he'd do it just as easy and definitely not easier.

The only one he might beat just as clear as Mosley solely because Mosley is a perfect style for Mayweather to beat.

It's like saying Roy Jones was the same fighter at 32 that he was at 26. Which funnily enough people tried to argue was the case back then aswell.

I noticed those same subtle changes in Jones at 32. I think Floyd has a better chin though. But yeah, Floyd is not even the same as he was five years ago. If you watch old videos it's noticeable.

[Carpe Diem]

Dan, you have to admit that even though he's shot to ****, he's still in a greater position than Whitaker and Leonard were at the age of 37, so that must count for something.

[-Kev-]

He slowly but surely declined in speed over 18 years. Which obviously is completely normal.

He hasn't lost because he's extremely skilled first and foremost, he's extremely well rounded and extremely smart in the ring.

Added to the fact whilst he's clearly in decline and much slower in both hand, foot and reflexes he's still very good in all those areas. He still has fast hands and fast reflexes, just no where near what they were.

Well why are we excluding fights? His best wins were in that time period.

01-07 (His prime-peak) he fought Corrales, Chavez, C.Hernandez, Castillo x2, Judah, Oscar and Hatton.

That list of fighters is ATLEAST the same level as his opposition from 09-14 and in all reality it is probably stronger actually.

So that point's pretty moot.

Do you think Chavez, C. Hernandez, Judah and Hatton are better fighters than Cotto, Canelo, Maidana?

[FeFist]

-Kev- just look at what happened in the fight.

1) His punches. They're not as crisp as they were in his younger days. Looking at his earlier fights it was actually difficult to see when and where they were coming from; now, they are slower off the mark and therefore more predictable. He's also slower in the drawback which leaves him more open.

2) His timing. Numerous instances where he was missing widely because he was a second too late to capitalise on the opening. Punch statistics don't really drive home this point because it measures all misses equally; the fact of the matter is they're not equal. Where a missed punch lands some positionally, or how it manipulates the opponent are overlooked factors.

3) His footwork. People think that moving around is a sign that it is still up to his usual standards but it really isn't. His balance has diminished greatly which is why he's clinching as opposed to pivoting and turning his man. He can still move around, but he's limited in how he can use his legs in his defence and in how he can transition his defence into offence.

4) Positioning. There used to be a time where he'd hit his opponent and he'd find himself in a position where they couldn't mount an attack. You see him positioned, now, in a way that pulls him into exchanges.

_______
He's pushing 38 now. You look at athletes in other sports, the physical decline becomes apparent in their early 30s. Mayweather is no exception; he has just been able to paper over the cracks until now.