who is the number 1 super middleweight in the word-FROCH OR WARD

[LacedUp]

Let's face it, who's Andre Ward gonna fight when he finally (if ever) comes back?

Dirrell - no, they're friends
Chavez Jr. - will probably face Froch
Kessler - won't travel to Europe
DeGale - see above
Froch - already beat 'em
Bika - already beat 'em
Stieglitz - who? some Eurobum?
Hopkins, Kovalev, Stevenson - they fight at LHW, why even make such absurd suggestion?

Froch on the other hand, will be facing Chavez Jr. He likely beats him and then faces James DeGale.

Funny how Ward fans claim Froch is ducking a Ward rematch. He was outclassed, yet it's Ward who's crying for it.

Ward once claimed he could fight Klitschko - so a move up to LHW shouldn't be out of the question

[sicko]

This is a tough question to answer...

[marvelousmatt]

Since the 115-113 close decision to Andre ward, froch has beaten bute, mack, kessler and george groves twice. He has won 4/5 by ko and nearly stopped kessler.

Ward has beaten weight drained shot fighter in Dawson, and rodriguez, who i honestly dont know who he is,in a boring decision. If this was any other ranking sport, froch would be ahead, but because of the close head to head loss, froch is behind.

With froch fighting degale or chavez junior either in Jnauary or nov, he would have fought 6 times to wards 2 opponents. With better competition.

So who you have as number 1?

Poll coming.

Ward is #1 because he beat Froch 116-112. Froch has had the better career and Andre is killing himself slowly. He just filed another lawsuit vs Goosen.

He is on the slow road to career suicide. He is on the Direll Bros plan right now.

Andre Ward should be 30-0 right now and demanding Kovalev, Froch,Stevenson, GGG, Hopkins, Chavez, and Kessler fights. Instead he is doing nice work for HBO...COMMENTING ON FIGHTS.

If Ward does not take a fight within the next 2 months than I am dropping him from the #1 spot and taking him off my P4P list where I have him # 2.

I am a big boxing fan and Ward is one of my favorite fighters but suing Goosen again(already lost the same case twice) is just weak. Goosen wants to get him paid, Andre wants to hook up his childhood friends...WEAK.

[Weebler I]

Andre Ward hasn't actually won a SMW fight since September 2012, the Rodriguez fight was a non-title bout at 170lbs.

Rodriguez was #7 or #8, he wasn't even a top 5 guy at SMW.

Shannon Briggs and Roy Jones Jr. are more active than Andre Ward of late.

How long do you get to hold onto the #1 spot? Unless he fights by November, Ward will lose the spot to Froch.

[optkliluzn]

Since the 115-113 close decision to Andre ward, froch has beaten bute, mack, kessler and george groves twice. He has won 4/5 by ko and nearly stopped kessler.

Ward has beaten weight drained shot fighter in Dawson, and rodriguez, who i honestly dont know who he is,in a boring decision. If this was any other ranking sport, froch would be ahead, but because of the close head to head loss, froch is behind.

With froch fighting degale or chavez junior either in Jnauary or nov, he would have fought 6 times to wards 2 opponents. With better competition.

So who you have as number 1?

Poll coming.

I can see why you and everyone wouldn't like ward and froch is liked more but in reality ward destroyed tbe the super middle weight competition and he steam rolled over froch even if you think the score was close... The fight was a wash. If froch said he could easily destroy ward in a rematch, then that would have my attention but he has said he doesn't even want to fight him, so it is what it is but ward is the best super middle weight until he gets beat

[slimshandy69]

You are correct about this. You can fairly argue the Dawson win would have been more impressive if it was at 175. I didn't deny it.

Even if that is the case-my point still stands that Froch nor groves would have been approved by HBO for Dawson because of where they were.

Froch has admirably worked his way up the ladder and then maintained his spot by beating those beneath him. But he will not be the best SMW until Ward officially retires. Why? Because I saw them fight each other.

Imagine if someone tried to argue andre dirrell is better than froch if he keeps winning and froch is off for a year?

Froch schooled dirrel. But if dirrell had beaten bute, kessler, mack and groves twice in the fashion that froch did, and froch was pissing around fighting no marks at 168 and only 2 fights since the super 6, with no fight scheduled even for early 2015, then you are dam right Dirrell should be ahead of froch.


As i say, forget the head to head a second(which was 115-113), if this was any other civilised ranking sport froch would be ranked number 1.

If you watch tennis, stan wavwrinka beat novak djokovic at the Australian, but does that mean he should be ranked above him???

By your logic corries saunders(rip) should be ranked above wlad for all those years for having a win over him.

Horrible logic.

[optkliluzn]

Andre Ward hasn't actually won a SMW fight since September 2012, the Rodriguez fight was a non-title bout at 170lbs.

Rodriguez was #7 or #8, he wasn't even a top 5 guy at SMW.

Shannon Briggs and Roy Jones Jr. are more active than Andre Ward of late.

How long do you get to hold onto the #1 spot? Unless he fights by November, Ward will lose the spot to Froch.

I have to agree to that thought process, even if ward is better or beat whoever, his length of time out of the ring should atleast start to put him behind

[Dirk Diggler UK]

By your logic corries saunders(rip) should be ranked above wlad for all those years for having a win over him.

Horrible logic.

Except that Sanders got KO'd in this next fight and never recorded another noteworthy win. He also didn't win and go undefeated through a tournament of the best fighters in his division. Convincingly beating everyone he faced.

Horrible logic.

[KO MX]

Carl Froch he is more active

[HEND]

Froch schooled dirrel. But if dirrell had beaten bute, kessler, mack and groves twice in the fashion that froch did, and froch was pissing around fighting no marks at 168 and only 2 fights since the super 6, with no fight scheduled even for early 2015, then you are dam right Dirrell should be ahead of froch.


As i say, forget the head to head a second(which was 115-113), if this was any other civilised ranking sport froch would be ranked number 1.

If you watch tennis, stan wavwrinka beat novak djokovic at the Australian, but does that mean he should be ranked above him???

By your logic corries saunders(rip) should be ranked above wlad for all those years for having a win over him.

Horrible logic.

Irony I guess