What is supposed to be good about Porter?

[New England]

What is actually going on with Andre Ward?

Such a shame he has wasted so many of his prime years. I would love to see him against Andre Dirrell & Kovalev should he beat B-Hop

I like him but I've always remained skeptical.
I'd love to see against someone who had quick feet whether a runner like Dirrell or an offensive machine like The Krusher.

I can't help but notice that Abraham, Bika, Froch, Kessler, Rodriguez all have very slow feet that don't react.

Hes a very good boxer how good is anybodies guess.

promotional issues. goossen is a very good "entry level" promotor. he gets you on the networks [hbo and showtime,] if you're good enough. he really cannot promote major ppv. he doesn't have that kind of muscle.


ward is currently trying to get out of a pretty long contract with goossen. it's not working. he signed an idiotic deal if it was his plan to get out of it.

ward thinks, inappropriately or otherwise, that he's on the verge of becoming a ppv level fighter. he made 2 million against rodriguez. to make more than that, you basically have to fight on ppv. for comparison, martinez made less than that on ppv against chavez.


he also has a job with hbo as a commentator, and though it's only part time, i'm sure it gets him six figures.

he stays in shape, has no bad habits. the layoffs had some benefit when he had injuries. the biased fanboys in the thread probably don't even know this, but ward also broke two bones in his hand in the froch fight, and had surgery to repair a blown shoulder that had been giving him issues since he was a teenager.


he's had a lot working against getting him back in the ring, but he's also made some very dumb moves himself.

[dan_cov]

Froch has 10-12 wins better than anything GGG has at the weight above. He is the #2 and has been for 5-6 years now behind only Andre Ward, GGG is in a pathetic excuse for a MW division & his best wins are Macklin & Geale.

Froch has never had any problems with guys that have had similar styles to GGG

GGG best asset is his power which he might not even carry up, he'd have no strength advantages at SMW. He has only faced one true puncher at MW - A guy who actually hasn't stopped anybody of real note.

Froch has ate bombs from Abraham, Taylor, Bute, Reid, Pascal, Groves, Kessler. I'm not sure you could really give GGG a punchers chance.

Not sure how people could be so confident in GGGs chances if they look at it from an unbiased viewpoint and put everything into perspective.

[The Surgeon]

golovkin would f#cking annihilate carl froch.

And everybody else around his weight class not called Andre Ward....

[New England]

Froch has 10-12 wins better than anything GGG has at the weight above. He is the #2 and has been for 5-6 years now behind only Andre Ward, GGG is in a pathetic excuse for a MW division & his best wins are Macklin & Geale.

Froch has never had any problems with guys that have had similar styles to GGG

GGG best asset is his power which he might not even carry up, he'd have no strength advantages at SMW. He has only faced one true puncher at MW - A guy who actually hasn't stopped anybody of real note.

Froch has ate bombs from Abraham, Taylor, Bute, Reid, Pascal, Groves, Kessler. I'm not sure you could really give GGG a punchers chance.

Not sure how people could be so confident in GGGs chances if they look at it from an unbiased viewpoint and put everything into perspective.

they watched the first groves fight, where froch looked 90 years old. his lights were briefly out in the first round. groves nearly stopped him. in fact, he was in a worse way than groves was at the time of the stoppage.

they also watched the second groves fight, where froch's old bones took several rounds to stop creaking early on.




you can't talk about being unbiased, dan. you just can't. it's too much for me. milk will shoot out of my nose.

[dan_cov]

promotional issues. goossen is a very good "entry level" promotor. he gets you on the networks [hbo and showtime,] if you're good enough. he really cannot promote major ppv. he doesn't have that kind of muscle.


ward is currently trying to get out of a pretty long contract with goossen. it's not working. he signed an idiotic deal if it was his plan to get out of it.

ward thinks, inappropriately or otherwise, that he's on the verge of becoming a ppv level fighter. he made 2 million against rodriguez. to make more than that, you basically have to fight on ppv. for comparison, martinez made less than that on ppv against chavez.


he also has a job with hbo as a commentator, and though it's only part time, i'm sure it gets him six figures.

he stays in shape, has no bad habits. the layoffs had some benefit when he had injuries. the biased fanboys in the thread probably don't even know this, but ward also broke two bones in his hand in the froch fight, and had surgery to repair a blown shoulder that had been giving him issues since he was a teenager.


he's had a lot working against getting him back in the ring, but he's also made some very dumb moves himself.

Ah thanks for clearing that up, I don't really look into the promotional side of things and such. I hope everything sorts out for him and he becomes more active and stays injury free.
Like I said I'd love to see him against Andre Dirrell (providing he doesn't excessively run) that could be a brilliant high level chess match then again it could be a real stinker.

[New England]

and who has froch fought that has a similar style to golovkin? abraham, bute?

glen johnson, ?

[dan_cov]

they watched the first groves fight, where froch looked 90 years old. his lights were briefly out in the first round. groves nearly stopped him. in fact, he was in a worse way than groves was at the time of the stoppage.

they also watched the second groves fight, where froch's old bones took several rounds to stop creaking early on.




you can't talk about being unbiased, dan. you just can't. it's too much for me. milk will shoot out of my nose.

Groves is fast though - His speed and movement particularly early was always going to give Froch trouble.

I think in the first fight he may of underestimated Groves or was certainly caught a bit off guard by his handspeed and counterpunching ability. The knockdown seemed to make him weary & he was pushing his shot.
I felt he looked superb in the rematch and really tightened things up, one of his best performances for me, he boxed well and wasn't his often clumsy self.
I think he'd fight GGG similar knowing he couldn't afford to get wreckless against a big puncher.

[IronDanHamza]

one of these fighters really struggles in defeat, certainly worse than the other. he's on the ropes and eating body shots and right hands to the head. the decision was controversial. i thought floyd won the fight, but a lot of largely unbiased people had it a draw, and even a few had maidana winning.



i do agree that maidana is a better fighter than bika, but how much better? bika's been a contender at SMW for a while. maidana beat broner, who was really a smaller guy moving up. in his only other big fight at WW, he was completely shut down by devon alexander. if we're saying that ward "struggled" with bika, we can surely say that maidana "struggled" with demarcus corley. erik morales, and victor ortiz [down three times, almost out,] too.

Decision was hardly controversial. Over 80% had Mayweather winning in a close fight.

Ward clearly struggles, clearly. Those first 6 rounds he's clearly struggling, he pulls out down the stretch and takes it. Very close fight, I had it 115-113 Ward, that's closer than I had Floyd Maidana which I was 116-112..

Fact is , using the fact Floyd had a tough night with Maidana for having Ward ahead of him is silly considered Ward struggled with Bika.

Plus, Ward has literally done nothing of note in 3 years.

He shouldn't be on any P4P list for that alone let alone above the likes of Mayweather.

[IronDanHamza]

when i rank a fighter historically, i look at his resume and his ability, with a stronger emphasis on resume. this is actually much less subjective than it is to rank a fighter p4p. p4p lists are completely abstract, unless fighters have common opponents or have fought each other.

when i rank fighters p4p, i look much more heavily at his ability. i want to know who the best fighter on the planet is, not whose resume looks the best. that's what a pound for pound list is.

you're projecting with the p4p list. these fighters cannot fight, yet we compare them anyway. when i rank a fighter p4p, i'm comparing them as if they were the same size, based on his ability and his accomplishments.


ward hit froch, kessler, so hard the brits forget all about it.


"our carl is a great fighter
andre ward, the guy who shut him out, sucks doe!"


froch won't even fight andre ward. let's just make sure that's understood by everybody in the thread. froch won't even fight ward.

you guys drop andre ward from your list quickly because you don't like him for what he's done to your heroes. he fought a top 10 fighter in november, and shut him out. every other major ranking body has him in their top 5. it is what it is, man. i don't have any bias like that.


if ward doesn't have a fight by november, regardless of whether or not a fight is scheduled, i'll remove him. when he whips ass, as long as it's not against ron salka, i'll probably put him back to the top of the list if he looks great.

Rodriguez is terrible though.

Nothing to do with Ward beating Froch I rooted for Ward heavily. Ward used to be one of my favourite fighters until he decided to do nothing for 3 years.

When he actually fights clearly he's one of the best but I can have a guy in my P4P list when they aren't doing anything. Doesn't make sense to me.

[Unseen]

He is strong as hell, he has 'decent' handspeed but help me out. What am I supposed to be looking at?

All of a sudden he is supposed to be this big puncher too.
He did what was expected against a faded fighter with ZERO power & only a jab who pulls back in straight lines. Devon was made to order too. Neither has the power to command anybodies respect. Paulie couldn't knock the froth of a cappuccino

Devon can not punch! The last time he showed power, in fact the only time was against Urangu's corpse!
I read so much rubbish about Devon having power, what power, man? ''Devon will stop Karass'' do these people come out with the most ridiculous scenarios in hope of sounding a genius if by some miracle it did happen? He couldn't budge that tough SOB with a baseball bat.

Mr Porter hasn't fought anybody with any power what so ever. As for his skills, I don't see them. What am I supposed to be looking at?
I see a flat-footed very crude, raw, naturally big wildman. Hes a bit Mayorga esque IMO

Porter is not walking through Brook. Paulie & Devon flattered him because he knew he could walk through their best shots.

He is not walking clean through Brooks its as simple as that. Get it out of your head, its not happening. Brook is going to jab him to death & land that right hand at will. Brooks fight to lose, only way he losses this is if he gasses ala Carson Jones or he gets robbed otherwise I fully expect Brook to win this fight, comfortably. If anybody gets stopped early its Porter.

Another Karim Mayfield, that is all he is.

Brook will be bleeding. He will gas out. He will then get stopped.


All my points vs yours.