Official Tyson Fury vs Wladimir Klitschko Post Fight Discussion Thread

[mlac]

Yawn, another boxrec champion.

Cunningham was robbed blind against Adamek, and was also robbed against Glazkov, the guy now mandatory for Wladimir.

As for an illegal punch, Fury was putting a severe beating on him and the KO was going to come regardless. Try actually watching fights before commenting on stuff you don't understand.

http://www.badlefthook.com/2012/12/22/3796304/adamek-vs-cunningham-ii-results-scores-robbery-split-decision-buffer-nbc-boxing-news

http://espn.go.com/boxing/story/_/id...imous-decision

thanks for informing me that the ademek fight was close, and many people myself included thought cunngingham won... i already knew that.
im a box rec champion because i called you out on your bs?
ok then m8

dont worry you still have chisora, beating him definitely makes fury a legit top 5, oh no sorry top 2 in the heavyweight division

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dont worry you still have chisora, beating him definitely makes fury a legit top 5, oh no sorry top 2 in the heavyweight division

I'm not the only one who thinks that.

Ring Magazine has him at 3, Boxrec has him at 3. WBA, IBF & WBO all have him in the top 3.

Anything else to add?

[Fury4daWIN]

Wladimir's fiancée has just checked into rehab for depression. I expect the fight will be cancelled again!

http://celebritybabies.people.com/20...ers-treatment/

Really, that's terrible news. I've known people with depression and it's a nightmare for all concerned. I wish Hayden and Wlad all the best, and if the fight has to be cancelled because of this so be it.

Hopefully it still goes ahead with both parties fully prepared, both mentally and physically.

[Fury4daWIN]

Imo Carlos Takam would leave Fury a tangled spider unconscious in a pool of blood. He would not even be able to remember his name!

I like Tyson Fury but he can't be considered the 2nd best HW yet.

Perhaps as high as 5th or 6th maybe.

All we can say with certainty is that he is much better than Wilder who despite being champ, is questionable whether he could really be in the top 10 considering his only 2 top victories (Scott and Stiverne) were both devalued or flat out shonky respetively.

Putting on a class act vs Chisora and grinding out Cunningham don't exactly qualify for the upper eschelons of excellence.

Takam's decent but what on earth makes you think he can do to Fury what Chisora couldn't or what he himself failed to do against Thompson? He's a grinding plodder with above average punching power and grit toughness, but a stone cold killer he's not. If he beats Fury it'll be by late stoppage after grinding him down with constant pressure to body and head, the way he beat Thompson. In order to do that he'll need to be able to effectively cut off the ring against Fury, which as Chisora showed is incredibly difficult to do.

Takam's really no better than Chisora, which still makes him a decent heavyweight. But Fury would have to be the favourite there.

[Drunken Cat]

Really, that's terrible news. I've known people with depression and it's a nightmare for all concerned. I wish Hayden and Wlad all the best, and if the fight has to be cancelled because of this so be it.

Hopefully it still goes ahead with both parties fully prepared, both mentally and physically.

Good thing she's rich and can afford rehab.

Depression she says?

That'd be a lame reason to cancel a fight though, which is over a month off.

It'd start to stink of David Haye syndrome, for quite real.

[Drunken Cat]

Takam's decent but what on earth makes you think he can do to Fury what Chisora couldn't or what he himself failed to do against Thompson? He's a grinding plodder with above average punching power and grit toughness, but a stone cold killer he's not. If he beats Fury it'll be by late stoppage after grinding him down with constant pressure to body and head, the way he beat Thompson. In order to do that he'll need to be able to effectively cut off the ring against Fury, which as Chisora showed is incredibly difficult to do.

Takam's really no better than Chisora, which still makes him a decent heavyweight. But Fury would have to be the favourite there.

Takam couldn't beat Fury.

I suspect a bit of trolling in that one.

[Fury4daWIN]

I can agree with this, though I think he is top 5.

I kind of reserve #2 for Povetkin. That's the way it should be rated until determined otherwise.

3-5 is harder to rank, but I'd put Fury in this range. I don't know that Wilder is top 5, he might be, but he is behind Fury, for sure.

I think either Wilder or Jennings can fill the top five spot nicely, depending on how highly you value Wilder's status as WBC beltholder. Personally I'd put Jennings ahead of Wilder for the simple reason that he's consistently beaten better opposition than Jonty and shown himself to be competitive against the top man in the division. I also think Jennings would beat Wilder right now if they fought.

Pulev I think is still a top five guy despite his one sided beating against Wlad.

[Fury4daWIN]

cunningham moved up to heavyweight, beat a journeyman jason gavern then lost to adamek.

and that makes him a top 10 heavyweight when fury beat him (with an illegal punch )

someone appears to be uninformed

That someone appears to be you if you seriously thought Adamek beat Cunningham. That was a terrible robbery and shouldn't be counted as a loss by any true fan of the sport, regardless of their affinities. That version of Adamek was then rated in the bottom half of the top ten when Fury beat Cunningham. Cunningham himself was just outside it (unfairly).

Chisora was a clear top ten fighter when Fury beat him.

[Fury4daWIN]

thanks for informing me that the ademek fight was close, and many people myself included thought cunngingham won... i already knew that.
im a box rec champion because i called you out on your bs?
ok then m8

dont worry you still have chisora, beating him definitely makes fury a legit top 5, oh no sorry top 2 in the heavyweight division

If you already knew that then why did you try to spin it that Adamek won in order to support your point? That's pretty lowly behaviour in my book.

And you crow about calling out people on their BS? Seems you're more full of it than most.

[RED REP]

I wouldn't call it what Wladimir does in the ring cheating. If a ref allows certain maneuvers then a fighter is do them and I wouldnt consider his holding or grappling cheating. Cheating is: if a fighter loads his gloves with plaster or some other weight; if a fighter takes PEDS, etc.

Boxing is like many other sports where the participants 'bend the rules' and work the refs. In basketball, players often foul each other when the refs aren't looking or "flop" on the ground to draw a foul. In every sport the players are trying to get an edge - it's not cheating.

No, no...he literally cheats.