Official Tyson Fury vs Wladimir Klitschko Post Fight Discussion Thread

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One Fury fan to another: stop trying to convince anyone that Cunningham is a big puncher. He wasn't at cruiser and he certainly isn't at heavy. Is he a good fighter? Absolutely. But there's a reason people constantly bring up his knockdown against Fury, and it isn't to big up his punching prowess.

Now there are cruisers who can definitely punch. Kudryashov for one, Makabu for another. Huck nearly knocked out Povetkin and his punching power isn't anything otherworldly in the current cruiserweight division. In fact there are six cruisers whose power would still be a factor at heavy: Kudryashov, Kalenga, Makabu, Chakhiev, Huck (already proven) and Lebedev.

Cunningham never distinguished himself at Cruiser the way these guys did. He was always a skill fighter, something he brought up the heavyweight division. That Fury was knocked down by him is definitely an embarrassment for Fury. That Fury was able to get up and beat his ass is not. That's what was impressive about the performance.

Cunningham does not have a high KO percentage...but look at whom he fought. cunningham is at least as strong a puncher as Povatkin.

Its just that it is an obvious strawman to set up fury getting dropped by a punch from this fellow as leading to the conclusion his chin is questionable. There are very few, if any light heavies, cruisers who could even fight heavyweight without strong punching power.

I will grant you it is an embarrasment perhaps, but its not a reflection on Fury's chin...and I would be very suprised indeed if this event meant that Povatkin's punches were too much for fury.

Povatkin's bread and butter is accumulation of punches. in a weak heavyweight division having a high ko percentage in itself is one measure...actually watching how the ko's take place is another.

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lmao this thread is amazing, come back 10 pages later from furyfans saying he would win every round to povetkin and telling us all how his best win's chisora and cunningham were really great wins.

now they are bigging up Joey abell

Cunningham is a bigger puncher than povetkin ? this is too much

So combat the argument, if you can. Fury fans on this thread are posting solid analysis, mongs like yourself just pop in & talk about Fury fans.

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Abell can punch, and managed to load a few bombs on Fury in brawl mode. Fury took the punches well. His chin is not as bad as people say. For example, if Abell landed that same left hand on David Price's jaw, Price would've been on the floor twitching.

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Yeah to echo others, this new version of Povetkin definitely punches harder than Cunningham. Fury still beats him though, too big, too strong, too furious.

The problem is that as weak as the heavyweight division is, with a bunch of big guys who stand still, and with cruisers coming up to try to land...one has to be very circumspect about who is really skilled as a puncher capable of dropping someone with a punch. David Haye is a big puncher.

Guys like Char might have decent beards but they stand there as a target. I don't see Povatkin as using a strategy where he can unload a bomb that drops his opponent.

When looking at fury versus Povatkin Fury is mobile, has a greater reach and a good jab.

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lmao this thread is amazing, come back 10 pages later from furyfans saying he would win every round to povetkin and telling us all how his best win's chisora and cunningham were really great wins.

now they are bigging up Joey abell

Cunningham is a bigger puncher than povetkin ? this is too much

No one's bigging up Joey Abell you idiot. My point was that Fury took him lightly and fought ******ly against him despite dominating and getting the win (as he was expected to). Abell sucks but he can punch, and there were a number of occasions where Fury could have potentially got tagged. Understand?

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Cunningham does not have a high KO percentage...but look at whom he fought. cunningham is at least as strong a puncher as Povatkin.

Its just that it is an obvious strawman to set up fury getting dropped by a punch from this fellow as leading to the conclusion his chin is questionable. There are very few, if any light heavies, cruisers who could even fight heavyweight without strong punching power.

I will grant you it is an embarrasment perhaps, but its not a reflection on Fury's chin...and I would be very suprised indeed if this event meant that Povatkin's punches were too much for fury.

I don't agree that getting dropped by Cunningham automatically means that Fury has a bad chin. Had that been the case, he would never have recovered let alone gone on to win the fight. He does have questionable concentration levels though, that can't be denied. Against Wlad he can't afford to switch off, else the one that drops him will be the last one he feels.

Cunningham is a skill and heart fighter. Always has been. He is nowhere near one of the hardest punchers in the division and wouldn't be if he moved back down to cruiser. He certainly isn't in a division with guys such as Parker, Wilder and Joshua in it.

Povatkin's bread and butter is accumulation of punches. in a weak heavyweight division having a high ko percentage in itself is one measure...actually watching how the ko's take place is another.

Povetkin isn't a hugely heavy handed guy, but he's a very dangerous puncher in the same way that Louis was a dangerous puncher. His combinations are devastating, and his crispness of technique and pinpoint accuracy allow him to land shots on target where many a heavier handed fighter would not. He's not really an accumulation type puncher so much as a combination puncher who throws with bad intentions every second of the round. Sooner or later you're going to get clipped on the button and dropped. There's no way you can't say he doesn't drop people hard though. His last three knockouts have been devastating ones, with the opponent laid flat out on the canvas.

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Just watched Wlad - Jennings again. Poor old guy can't pull the trigger against a B- fighter who Wilder would've finished off mid rounds. I'm almost sad for Wlad. He's such a nice guy and has tried his best to be a good champ for the sport. But it's all over for him on November 28th.

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The problem is that as weak as the heavyweight division is, with a bunch of big guys who stand still, and with cruisers coming up to try to land...one has to be very circumspect about who is really skilled as a puncher capable of dropping someone with a punch. David Haye is a big puncher.

Guys like Char might have decent beards but they stand there as a target. I don't see Povatkin as using a strategy where he can unload a bomb that drops his opponent.

When looking at fury versus Povatkin Fury is mobile, has a greater reach and a good jab.

David Haye was a big puncher at cruiserweight though. That was his main strength, tremendous explosiveness and punching power. It's no surprise he brought his power up to heavyweight, especially given the static nature of many of his opponents there (a point you do well to mention). Cunningham (assuming you're still arguing that he's a big puncher) never got the types of stoppages Haye got, although he had a number of good wins there.

I agree that Fury would beat Povetkin, but Povs definitely has the skill, the athletic qualities and the experience to land on Fury's chin. It would not be an easy fight by far, and one in which Fury would need to stay alert the whole time.

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Just watched Wlad - Jennings again. Poor old guy can't pull the trigger against a B- fighter who Wilder would've finished off mid rounds. I'm almost sad for Wlad. He's such a nice guy and has tried his best to be a good champ for the sport. But it's all over for him on November 28th.

I agree that the performance was bad, but no way would Wilder have destroyed Jennings. Jennings is an incredibly underrated heavyweight, and one who'd make a lot of top heavyweights look bad.

There's also the fact that Wlad was absolutely dominating Jennings from distance in the early rounds, something which Fury and his team would do well to note. Jennings' success came mid to late, when Wlad's crutch was taken away by the ref and he was starting to tire.

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So combat the argument, if you can. Fury fans on this thread are posting solid analysis, mongs like yourself just pop in & talk about Fury fans.

oh ok, you're trolling ok, 2fast2fury thing is kinda amusing but i think most of the other guy's are pretty serious tbh, which is even more amusing.

i really wanna jump aboard the fury train tbh, being from england and wanting to support a good english heavyweight, unfortunately having followed nearly his entire career from punching himself in the face to now trying to fight like a gypsy oafish version of Ali (fury even compared his trash talking/style to ali )

Im just not seeing how can he beat A level opposition, the power isnt there, the chin isnt there, and the style he has could probobly upset some lower tier opposition but beating the likes of klit/povetkin?

like i said before he really needed a solid test before this step up, fighting guy's that are 6'2 6'3 who have to overcome a 6-8 height and reach disadvantage, not to mention these guy's are c-d level opposition to begin with.
I really dont understand the plan? fight low opposition for as long as possible and then chuck him in with the champ and pray for the best?
poor management imo. at least chuck him in with ustinov ffs.

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oh ok, you're trolling ok, 2fast2fury thing is kinda amusing but i think most of the other guy's are pretty serious tbh, which is even more amusing.

I'm not trolling. I think Fury will win, and win a lot easier than many people expect.

i really wanna jump aboard the fury train tbh, being from england and wanting to support a good english heavyweight, unfortunately having followed nearly his entire career from punching himself in the face to now trying to fight like a gypsy oafish version of Ali (fury even compared his trash talking/style to ali )

You'll never be a fan of Fury because you clearly dislike his personality & traveller background. Constantly calling him a "Gypsy Oaf" gives it away.

Im just not seeing how can he beat A level opposition, the power isnt there, the chin isnt there, and the style he has could probobly upset some lower tier opposition but beating the likes of klit/povetkin?

No power but he's stopped 3/4 of his opponants. No he doesn't possess the one punch KO power of a Wilder or Wlad, but that doesn't make him rubbish. Surely anyone who watches his recent fights can at least appreciate his footwork, his change of stance, his angles etc. It's just there to plainly see.

like i said before he really needed a solid test before this step up, fighting guy's that are 6'2 6'3 who have to overcome a 6-8 height and reach disadvantage, not to mention these guy's are c-d level opposition to begin with.
I really dont understand the plan? fight low opposition for as long as possible and then chuck him in with the champ and pray for the best?
poor management imo. at least chuck him in with ustinov ffs.

I agree that ideally he should've fought some bigger guys, but what can you do? Anyway how many elite HW's are Fury's size? Wlad, Ustinov, who else? (Not that Ustinov is in any way elite)

Instead of blindly going off who's beaten who, use your eyes. This current version of Fury looks the business.