Comments Thread For: Espinoza Explains Showtime's Position on PPV Numbers

[Pu·gi·list]

Floyd is the one who propagated the whole thing constantly talking about PPV buys, how his numbers do better which gets the *****s wet, etc.
Espinoza needs to check his own fighter

[PunchyPotorff]

Who in the he!! does this b.s. squeaky clean image corporate bwaaay think he's fooling? What an absolutely pathetic package of b.s. he's trying to sell us. This proves it: He thinks all of we boxing fans are ee-diottts! Wish I was right in front of this chump this second. His head would explode by the time I finished reading him the riot act. He's total b.s.!

[HeroBando]

THIS^^^^^^^^^^

Why are people so concerned with counting other people's money? I don't give if Floyd is making $7 or $70 million....I don't care if Showtime is losing money or making money....I especially don't care how many other people bought a PPV. I literally DGAF.

All I care about is seeing good fights.

This is why the sport of boxing is lagging...people like to talk about everything but the fights themselves.

Hey ******, you're not gonna see as many good fights if Showtime is losing money

[maguirre]

This is just a tacit admission that PPV numbers were all lies. They're overly exaggerated. How can you even verify them? Espinoza probably discovered that the numbers don't even go as high as 700k or less.

We all know that Schaefer lies. Arum lies. Schaefer inflates numbers to make himself look good, Arum declares low numbers to cheat the IRS or his fighters. Let's face it, Schaefer is an amateur compared to Arum. Otherwise, he would still be running/ruining GBP, which is in a financial mess when he left.

... A friend of mine was in the JMM vs Pac 3 and told me how the crowd was packed like sardines. Weeks later, Arum, as usual, declares a number lower than his predictions. If that was Schaefer, he would have announced it sold 2 million.

That's why I never take whatever reports about PPV numbers seriously. Schaefer can lie his ass off about the number and there's no way to verify it. Espinoza can throw any number, but he won't. The numbers are too embarrassing to show.

This article also proves that whatever numbers were reported in the Maidana/Mayweather PPV were all guesses. Don't know why they keep taking these people in the media seriously. They're just guessing.

[duwdu]

Hey ******, you're not gonna see as many good fights if Showtime is losing money

This is part of the problem Espinoza alluded to: you're worrying about the money being made, rather than hoping youre lucky to see good fights. What is spent on boxers by those that put the money upfront, does not determine how good or entertaining a fight turns out to be. As an example, Corrales-Castillo was staged at a small venue, on a small budget, and watched live by a relatively very snall crowd. And guess what? It turned out to be arguably the best bout in recent memory. - P34c3

[al-Xander]

Hey ******, you're not gonna see as many good fights if Showtime is losing money

Showtime is so poor now they can only afford Haymon-protected fighters vs cab drivers. Everytime a Haymon-protected fighter is asked to fight another Haymon-protected fighter, he demands astronomical sums of money, which Showtime can't afford. They know these are not Cotto-caliber fighters when it comes to the box office. Profitability is not guaranteed.

Haymon/Schaefer have destroyed boxing. Broner is fighting another TBA next.

[jcpryor]

That's why I never take whatever reports about PPV numbers seriously. Schaefer can lie his ass off about the number and there's no way to verify it. Espinoza can throw any number, but he won't. The numbers are too embarrassing to show.

This article also proves that whatever numbers were reported in the Maidana/Mayweather PPV were all guesses. Don't know why they keep taking these people in the media seriously. They're just guessing.

I'm just trying to figure out how 900k sells is embarrassing, though? Even if you subtract 200-300k from that, its still a solid number.

[al-Xander]

I'm just trying to figure out how 900k sells is embarrassing, though? Even if you subtract 200-300k from that, its still a solid number.

Didn't you read that Espinoza hasn't announced any PPV number for the Maidana fight? Meaning, there's no official number. It could have been as low as 400K or less. Use your brain, doe. THINK!

[HeroBando]

This is part of the problem Espinoza alluded to: you're worrying about the money being made, rather than hoping youre lucky to see good fights. What is spent on boxers by those that put the money upfront, does not determine how good or entertaining a fight turns out to be. As an example, Corrales-Castillo was staged at a small venue, on a small budget, and watched live by a relatively very snall crowd. And guess what? It turned out to be arguably the best bout in recent memory. - P34c3

That's the way Showtime used to work, great fights for cheap. Now they're more about overpaying for mismatches, which can't last. Witness their pathetic year so far

[maguirre]

Fans looking forward to sifting through future pay-per-view numbers after a big fight as a way to rate the success of a promotion shouldn***8217;t rely on Showtime to provide those figures going forward.

Showtime boxing head Stephen Espinoza told BoxingScene.com on Monday the network plans on withholding upcoming PPV numbers to avoid the type of controversy that engulfed Floyd Mayweather***8217;s last bout with Marcos Maidana on May 3 when the topic of PPV buys seemed to overwhelm the actual bout itself, he said. The numbers will only be released if the event sets a PPV record, he said.
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There you have it. Fanboys need to stop expecting PPV results. We all know that Espinoza failed to release numbers in the Maidana 1... the numbers must be truly embarrassing.