Comments Thread For: Lara: Canelo - Bigger Robbery Than Paul Williams Loss

[BoxingLaw]

For Lara to have a chance of winning. He'd have to come into the rematch with the mentality of pac/marquez4. With the KO being the one and only option for victory.

But lets be real here fellas, Nelo dodged a bullet with this match and was outboxed, there will be no rematch. I hope im wrong.

I woke up this morning with a grin. Canelo won that fight the only way he could by receiving a gift.


Lara, ganaste la pelea de calle compadre! Le tenian que regalar la pelea! Vamos Lara!

[hitking]

Amazing post. I wanted to highlight some points, but I realized I'd be bolding the whole damn post.

I was going to make a thread about scoring in boxing. People want to change the rules nowadays. Want to change the rules? Fine. But as they stand right now, Lara won that fight last night. In baseball, for instance, the team that scores the most home runs isn't automatically the winner. The team that scores the most runs, regardless of how they're scored, is the winner. People may not like Landy's style, but that doesn't change the rules. If Ali were fighting today, he'd lose a lot more fights. Let's change the name of the sport while we're at it.

Folks b1tchin' about him "running" are morons. The only time Lara legitimately ran was the round he was cut in and the one following. Aside from that, he boxed-n-moved beautifully.I don't see why technicians have to abandon their style just to get a chance to compete on a level playing field. That's like asking Pacquiao to fight with his left arm tied behind his back. Or telling GGG he can't punch his opponent in the body. Or demanding that Kovalev wear bigger gloves than his opponent. Yet boxing fans and media want guys like Lara and Rigo to totally neglect what makes them good. Its beyond ridiculous.

As for the scoring in boxing. The only worse scoring system in sports than pro boxing is amateur boxing. Its far too subjective. But its no way to change that. The only way to help the scoring would be to go back to 15rd championship fights. Rounds 13-15 would more times than not produce a KO or the better fighter in the ring pulling away. Clasd shows over rounds. And into today's boxing, there's just not enough of them.

[hitking]

I can't really disagree with your analysis, but don't you think that Lara and Shields should've known that they were not going to get a decision with that strategy, I think Lara was more aggressive in the Trout and Angulo fights, and he never stepped his aggression up to that level. He was robbed by Williams, but he fought the same way last night. The definition of insanity is repeating the same actions and expecting a different outcome. That strategy was insane.

That's his style. That's what works best for him. He's a world class boxer/mover and would likely be a below average slugger. You should be able to compete on a level playing field with what makes you you.

[champion4ever]

Lara is coming off as a bitter loser. He needs to give it up and concede the fact that he had indeed,lost this fight due to his low work rate and punch volume.

In the P. Will fight, he took many more risks by throwing and landing more punches because he knew he was in there with a guy who was not generally regarded as a huge puncher.

However, in this particular case, Erislandy showed Ginger a lot more respect than the punisher because he felt his punching power; Especially to the body. This was the reason why he stopped throwing the jabs and fewer combination punches because he was hurt and of his fear of getting caught in the exchanges by Alvarez.

[Danny Gunz]

People are funny with boxing when it comes to the wide score 117-111.

Alls it takes is 1 judge to be disgusted/unimpressed of Lara's style of constantly backing up and not countering a lot to give most rounds to Canelo. There were a lot of close rounds in the fight and the guy probably gave them to Canelo because he was pressing the action...

[CubanGuyNYC]

Folks b1tchin' about him "running" are morons. The only time Lara legitimately ran was the round he was cut in and the one following. Aside from that, he boxed-n-moved beautifully.I don't see why technicians have to abandon their style just to get a chance to compete on a level playing field. That's like asking Pacquiao to fight with his left arm tied behind his back. Or telling GGG he can't punch his opponent in the body. Or demanding that Kovalev wear bigger gloves than his opponent. Yet boxing fans and media want guys like Lara and Rigo to totally neglect what makes them good. Its beyond ridiculous.

There was one point where one of the guys at my fight party commented, "I have to say, Lara ran right there." I laughed and agreed. We saw when Landy ran and when he boxed. Lara boxed beautifully for most of the fight, with a couple of moments where he outright ran. Hey, you're in there with a dangerous puncher. Unless you're as tough as he is, you can't just stand there. People can't seem to grasp that not everyone is born with the same gifts. Some dudes are faster, some are tougher, some are smarter, etc. You have to use your strengths and minimize your weaknesses. It would be plain ****** for a guy like Lara to try and go blow-for-blow with a guy like Canelo.

As for the scoring in boxing. The only worse scoring system in sports than pro boxing is amateur boxing. Its far too subjective. But its no way to change that. The only way to help the scoring would be to go back to 15rd championship fights. Rounds 13-15 would more times than not produce a KO or the better fighter in the ring pulling away. Clasd shows over rounds. And into today's boxing, there's just not enough of them.

I was thinking about this sort of thing after the fight. What could possibly be done to make scoring more objective? Not much, if anything. Your solution makes some sense. It would result in more KOs. Hence, we would have less controversy. I'm not sure if a fifteen round distance would've helped last night, though. Both those guys seemed well conditioned and ready to go a few more.

[hitking]

There was one point where one of the guys at my fight party commented, "I have to say, Lara ran right there." I laughed and agreed. We saw when Landy ran and when he boxed. Lara boxed beautifully for most of the fight, with a couple of moments where he outright ran. Hey, you're in there with a dangerous puncher. Unless you're as tough as he is, you can't just stand there. People can't seem to grasp that not everyone is born with the same gifts. Some dudes are faster, some are tougher, some are smarter, etc. You have to use your strengths and minimize your weaknesses. It would be plain ****** for a guy like Lara to try and go blow-for-blow with a guy like Canelo.



I was thinking about this sort of thing after the fight. What could possibly be done to make scoring more objective? Not much, if anything. Your solution makes some sense. It would result in more KOs. Hence, we would have less controversy. I'm not sure if a fifteen round distance would've helped last night, though. Both those guys seemed well conditioned and ready to go a few more.

I don't think either would have gotten KO'd. But I do think Lara would have separated on the cards. I think Lara was ready to go in I believe the 8th. This was one of those fights you watch and you're thinking. "Fighter A (Lara) is winning. But, he's moving a lot and is getting beat up to the body pretty good. Can he go 12?" And in the 9th, I thought Nelo had broken him down and was gonna close the deal. But, not surprisingly because its his style, Ginger pretty much did nothingm rounds 9-11. And it was Lara that dug deep and regained control. Personally, I think Nelo got tired and was trying to save what he had left for the last round. I think in a 15rd fight, he would have won the same.

[richardt]

Regardless of you think won the fight, and this really shows that two styles can be seen differently for their effectiveness, the fact is people want a fever-pitched battle and Lara may have unsold himself as a PPV star or as a fighter people want to pay to see. If that is not his goal, to be a PPV star, nothing wrong with that but it can cost him financially. I wish he had stayed in the pocket more. It could have favored him.

[Porter's Dad]

He's just saying this because he knows the Williams fight was a gigantic robbery, so by saying it is even worse, he's trying to fool everyone into thinking the Canelo fight was a robbery.

It was not.

[R_Walken]

I'm amazed most people had it so close or Canelo winning. To tell the truth the result was expected but still Im disgusted by the outcome

I predicted this when the fight was announced that Lara would be stiffed but it's still a joke. There is no way in my opinion Canelo won 7 rds. I gave him 3 rds and I could see 5 if you gave him all the close rds.

I thought Lara clearly won boxed Canelos ears off the whole fight. Canelo landed what 15 head shots the entire fight. Canelo getting that Oscar treatment