Carl Froch has surpassed Joe Calzaghe

[IronDanHamza]

He handily beat a prime undefeated Mikkel Kessler, who if I am being honest Froch never beat in my eyes. First fight Kessler won, second fight I had a Draw. Regardless, when Froch did finally 'beat' Kessler, we all know it was an unmotivated Kessler talking about retirement in all of his interviews and had an eye injury that we don't know if it was 100%.

He should get credit for Hopkins as well because Hopkins went on to beat Pavlik, Pascal, Cloud, and it's possible that he goes on to beat Stevenson and become the lineal champ at 175. IMO current Hopkins schools Froch.

Sakio Bika is as legit a fighter a they come and Calzaghe beat a prime Bika.

There's also Jeff Lacy. Yeah he became a bust after the fact, but Calzaghe was underdog to lose even in home country they were in the Lacy hype.

If Froch didn't beat Kessler in the second fight then Calzaghe definitely didn't beat Hopkins.

If Calzaghe being the slight underdog against Lacy makes that fight a good win then Froch was underdog against Taylor, Abraham and Bute.

Froch's resume is clearly more impressive than Calzaghe's it's barely even arguable at this point.

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If Froch didn't beat Kessler in the second fight then Calzaghe definitely didn't beat Hopkins.

If Calzaghe being the slight underdog against Lacy makes that fight a good win then Froch was underdog against Taylor, Abraham and Bute.

Froch's resume is clearly more impressive than Calzaghe's it's barely even arguable at this point.

Ouch...

Don't be so hard on the kid.

[VG_Addict]

Would you say Froch is a top 10 ATG at SMW?

[MisterDeclanCor]

April 2008. Mandatory for the WBC Title.

Calzaghe had already beaten Hopkins by then, actually.

And at that time said he was taking one more big fight then retiring.

[MisterDeclanCor]

Did you read the post you just responded to?

I just said Calzaghe didn't duck Froch.

All I was doing was calling you out on your lies that that never overlapped, that's not true. They did overlap when Froch was the mandatory for his belt.

And, something you tried to deny, he was the madatory and Calzaghe turned it down.

And, you also tried to lie about him vacated his belt.

None of these false claims are true.

I don't blame Calzaghe for not fighting Froch in 2008.

Well who cares about all of these facts anyway. Do they contribute to the discussion atall? Or is that you take great pleasure in being a prick?

[-Kev-]

If Froch didn't beat Kessler in the second fight then Calzaghe definitely didn't beat Hopkins.

If Calzaghe being the slight underdog against Lacy makes that fight a good win then Froch was underdog against Taylor, Abraham and Bute.

Froch's resume is clearly more impressive than Calzaghe's it's barely even arguable at this point.

Who's arguing that Calzaghe's resume is better than Froch's?

Calzaghe is a very good fighter. IMO the 36 year old Calzaghe who fought Hopkins and Jones and got knocked down by both, would school any version of Froch for 12 rounds. But as far as resume goes, Froch has challenged himself a lot more and along those challenges he several very good wins.

Calzaghe turned down fights against Pavlik, Dawson and Johnson to instead fight an old, shot Roy Jones. Meanwhile, old ass Hopkins accepted Pavlik's challenge and whooped him, something Calzaghe could have easily done IMO if he had just stepped up instead of being all "I'm no spring chicken, i'm old, Hopkins knocked me down, it's almost time to retire, Jones is a legend."

Why did you quoted a reply I made to some one who said Calzaghe never fought a legit prime fighter? Andmade it seem like I am saying Calzaghe has the better resume?

Originally Posted by badnewsbrown View Post
Slappy never beat a legit fighter in their prime. Nobody will remember him down the line, but Froch is a certified G.

He handily beat a prime undefeated Mikkel Kessler, who if I am being honest Froch never beat in my eyes. First fight Kessler won, second fight I had a Draw. Regardless, when Froch did finally 'beat' Kessler, we all know it was an unmotivated Kessler talking about retirement in all of his interviews and had an eye injury that we don't know if it was 100%.

He should get credit for Hopkins as well because Hopkins went on to beat Pavlik, Pascal, Cloud, and it's possible that he goes on to beat Stevenson and become the lineal champ at 175. IMO current Hopkins schools Froch.

Sakio Bika is as legit a fighter a they come and Calzaghe beat a prime Bika.

There's also Jeff Lacy. Yeah he became a bust after the fact, but Calzaghe was underdog to lose even in home country they were in the Lacy hype.

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Maybe?

Dude prime for prime Froch stands 0 chance. Past prime 36 year old Calzaghe, yeah Froch has a puncher's chance but I don't see him winning.

We can't say with certainty what would have happened. Calzaghe never faced someone as rugged as Froch who throws from awkward angles at times and can box decently when he has to.

I don't mind if people say that Joe would be favored. Just don't act like it's a fact that he would win.

And in any case that doesn't change their resumes. Froch has done more and has had the better career. This could be a case of one guy being better head to head but having inferior accomplishments.

That has happened sometimes throughout boxing history.

[GhostBlade]

Carl Froch will be remembered in the boxing world as an all-time great super middleweight. Calzaghe will only be remembered among the British fans. I don't think anyone outside of Britain really cares for Calzaghe.

[MisterDeclanCor]

We can't say with certainty what would have happened. Calzaghe never faced someone as rugged as Froch who throws from awkward angles at times and can box decently when he has to.

I don't mind if people say that Joe would be favored. Just don't act like it's a fact that he would win.

And in any case that doesn't change their resumes. Froch has done more and has had the better career. This could be a case of one guy being better head to head but having inferior accomplishments.

That has happened sometimes throughout boxing history.

Yeah I think we can all agree that Froch has the better resume. Imo Calzaghe would have wiped the floor with him. I'll forever maintain that Calzaghe was a special fighter, a pity, surely, that he didn't take some of the bigger fights available to him, but I'm sure the guy had his reasons, he's the guy who has to live with it, I'd say he's quite contented with his legacy.

I do think people make more out of the '21 tomato cans' he fought. I'll rewatch those fights in due time and see if there's anything there to support his case.

[IronDanHamza]

Well who cares about all of these facts anyway. Do they contribute to the discussion atall? Or is that you take great pleasure in being a prick?

Just simply responding to someone that wasn't telling the truth.

People who weren't following the sport at the time will no know better than to believe it. And it wasn't true.