Carl Froch has surpassed Joe Calzaghe

[SHB]

Just some context, here is Froch's resume.

http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?cat...human_id=97570

Calzaghe retired in 2008. How on earth could the Froch of 2008 have been considered a credible opponent? A retired Reid was the biggest name on his resume to date. Improved since then of course but it was too late for that fight.

[SHB]

Ok, and? What difference does it make if they're Welterweights?

You asked when do fighters move up in weight then return to that weight.

Are Welterweights not allowed?



Postponing retirment? He could have fought him instead of Roy Jones.

But either way, it doesn't matter what he brought to the table.

Froch was the mandatory and Calzaghe did turn it down.

These are facts.

And something you tried to sweep under the rug and make up false claims in an attempt to re-write history.

Ah facts. So, im sure you'll agree that if Froch doesn't fight De Gale now, who is mandatory, then he's ducking him? Doesn't matter if he moves up, fights Ward or retires, he's ducking him. Correct?

[IronDanHamza]

Just some context, here is Froch's resume.

http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?cat...human_id=97570

Calzaghe retired in 2008. How on earth could the Froch of 2008 have been considered a credible opponent? A retired Reid was the biggest name on his resume to date. Improved since then of course but it was too late for that fight.

I didn't say he was a credible opponent.

You said "They never overlapped" which is a lie.

You also said he wasn't the mandatory, also a lie.

I don't blame Calzaghe for turning the fight down but the fact is, he did.

[IronDanHamza]

Ah facts. So, im sure you'll agree that if Froch doesn't fight De Gale now, who is mandatory, then he's ducking him? Doesn't matter if he moves up, fights Ward or retires, he's ducking him. Correct?

I didn't say Calzaghe ducked Froch.

I said he turned it down. Which he did.

I wouldn't blame Froch for turning down Degale either to fight in Vegas.

[SHB]

I didn't say he was a credible opponent.

You said "They never overlapped" which is a lie.

You also said he wasn't the mandatory, also a lie.

I don't blame Calzaghe for turning the fight down but the fact is, he did.

If I challenge Froch, is he also ducking me?

Froch didn't bring anything to the table, wasn't a credible opponent at the time and Calzaghe had bigger fish to fry. Those are the only relevant facts in the discussion.

[boliodogs]

Joe may have defended his title at home but there were no close fights and he would have won those fights no matter where they took place, Ward has never fought in another country either. As far as Joe fighting weak opposition goes he fought them all. There was no 168 pounder who he should have fought but refused to fight that I know of. 21 defenses and mostly tomato cans? That just is not true. He just made good fighters look like tomato cans. I think his hand speed, work rate, boxing skills and good chin would take him to victory over Froch.

[daggum]

Jones was more money. It was a slush fund fight.

Seriously, look who Froch had fought up to 2008. He'd done nothing to make it happen. If he'd fought Froch then, you'd have been even more critical.

so you are defending a guy who has slush fund fights instead of fighting legit contenders...ok i don't understand. you proved right here that this is the reason froch is greater than calzaghe. he doesn't go for slush fund fights. he fights legit fighters and doesn't cherry pick or duck like calzaghe.

[mathed]

I didn't say Calzaghe ducked Froch.

I said he turned it down. Which he did.

I wouldn't blame Froch for turning down Degale either to fight in Vegas.

What happened with the Ward rematch?

[Simurgh]

He did. I was rooting for Groves tonight, but Carl showed why he is p2p.

I have him above Joe.

[IronDanHamza]

If I challenge Froch, is he also ducking me?

Froch didn't bring anything to the table, wasn't a credible opponent at the time and Calzaghe had bigger fish to fry. Those are the only relevant facts in the discussion.

Did you read the post you just responded to?

I just said Calzaghe didn't duck Froch.

All I was doing was calling you out on your lies that that never overlapped, that's not true. They did overlap when Froch was the mandatory for his belt.

And, something you tried to deny, he was the madatory and Calzaghe turned it down.

And, you also tried to lie about him vacated his belt.

None of these false claims are true.

I don't blame Calzaghe for not fighting Froch in 2008.