Just stop it already, a 10 count? for what?

[Fr3$h]

I cant believe there are some idiots here who are complaining about that stoppage.

The ref saw groves out as he hit the canvass, arms stiff, legs twisted and **** and stopped it right there and then. After the ref waived it off groves woke up and rushed to get up but he was out cold for a few seconds and so the ref had to stop it.

I would say groves was unlucky that he woke up a split second late after the ref waived it off. But the ref did the right thing waiving it off right away when he saw groves out cold.

Fair point but you also made a point for the opposing side of the argument.

"I would say groves was unlucky that he woke up a split second late after the ref waived it off."

Wouldn't that mean that if the ref had counted before waiving it off we would have seen whether Groves could get up?

The result is not controversial. Groves lost Froch won. I just don't like ****ty reffing.

[Frank Ducketts]

I cant believe there are some idiots here who are complaining about that stoppage.

The ref saw groves out as he hit the canvass, arms stiff, legs twisted and **** and stopped it right there and then. After the ref waived it off groves woke up and rushed to get up but he was out cold for a few seconds and so the ref had to stop it.

I would say groves was unlucky that he woke up a split second late after the ref waived it off. But the ref did the right thing waiving it off right away when he saw groves out cold.

He stopped his count and assumed. He's the ref. Finish your count and then things will be clearer to observe the fighters condition.

[Weebler I]

Ref went to look in his eyes. His eyes were closed and he wasn't moving.

Another right hand could've brain damaged him. UK boxing has seen it before with Michael Watson and Gerald McClellan.

[Frank Ducketts]

He needed oxygen after the fight was over whilst sitting on his stool for 5 minutes. We did find out. He was done.

What does this have to do with the ref not counting to 8 after Groves went down?

[Freelancer]

It really doesn't matter if he would have gotten up quicker, he was still done and wobbly. No ref would have allowed him to go on even if he beat the count.

[Blueduck]

Nothing to do with the Froch Groves thing (he was out of it), but the count is usually at 2 or 3 before the ref even waives his arms. Is there really a medical injury that you can sustain in boxing where care beginning 7 seconds earlier would make any difference? and I'm asking that honestly not being a smart ass.

In fact with the typical corner protest and the fighter trying to prove he is ok, I'm not sure counting the extra 7 seconds or so would even make response actually any slower at all.

[Frank Ducketts]

It really doesn't matter if he would have gotten up quicker, he was still done and wobbly. No ref would have allowed him to go on even if he beat the count.

You don't know that.

[Frank Ducketts]

Nothing to do with the Froch Groves thing (he was out of it), but the count is usually at 2 or 3 before the ref even waives his arms. Is there really a medical injury that you can sustain in boxing where care beginning 7 seconds earlier would make any difference? and I'm asking that honestly not being a smart ass.

In fact with the typical corner protest and the fighter trying to prove he is ok, I'm not sure counting the extra 7 seconds or so would even make response actually any slower at all.

Thank you. Very good post.

[Money_May]

What does this have to do with the ref not counting to 8 after Groves went down?

It has to do with the fact that he looked completely fucked, because that's what he was... Completely fucked. You don't need a 10 count when someone is that hurt.

Wave it off and get medical help ASAP. Those extra seconds can be the difference between brain damage and being fine.

[Fr3$h]

What urgent medical help did he receive within 2-3 seconds? None? OK then lets dismiss that point. As Frank Urkel alluded to, you have to have experience with this sort of thing. Between his experience with being bashed in the head repeatedly and my experience with boxing we have a degree of expertise.