Just stop it already, a 10 count? for what?

[Frank Ducketts]

It has to do with the fact that he looked completely fucked, because that's what he was... Completely fucked. You don't need a 10 count when someone is that hurt.

Wave it off and get medical help ASAP. Those extra seconds can be the difference between brain damage and being fine.

This is the type of lame, clueless answer that I'm talking about. All the ref had to do was count to 8. That's all. When have these precious seconds ever helped a fighter out from brain damage to normalcy? What fight?

[PACnPBFsuck]

He stopped his count and assumed. He's the ref. Finish your count and then things will be clearer to observe the fighters condition.

Show me where the refs was counting from this angle.

Here's what I see,

Groves goes down

ref sends Froch to a corner

ref looks at Groves, while he(the ref) has both hands down on his knees

Where did you see the ref count?

[TRTboy]

Fair point but you also made a point for the opposing side of the argument.

"I would say groves was unlucky that he woke up a split second late after the ref waived it off."

Wouldn't that mean that if the ref had counted before waiving it off we would have seen whether Groves could get up?The result is not controversial. Groves lost Froch won. I just don't like ****ty reffing.

What was initially there to count for? The ref saw groves lying there stiff as a card board box. He called it off as he saw groves in that state which was the right thing to do. I mean so saying Kenny bayless should have counted to 8 when pac was laying face down motionless before calling it off? I know pac didn't get up and groves did but you get my point.

If the ref counted as groves was lying there all stiff and didn't get up all of you would be thrashing the ref for being incompetent.

[sunny31]

I guess people missed Groves try to get up off the stool a full 2 minutes after the stoppage, stumble around fall into his team and have to be carried back to the stool, to which he received oxygen from the doctor, this went on for 5 minutes, and some of you actually think that by some kind of miracle had he reached his feet within his own weight he would have, A - been able to convince the ref to let him continue, and B - actually defend himself for the rest of the round.

I don't think so...the Pacquiao - Marquez comparison is ****ing ******ed as well, for many reasons that I will not list. The punch was a finisher, against a fighter who has a history of having a shaky chin and not the best recuperative powers. He's lucky if hasn't injured his knee tbh.

[Money_May]

This is the type of lame, clueless answer that I'm talking about. All the ref had to do was count to 8. That's all. When have these precious seconds ever helped a fighter out from brain damage to normalcy? What fight?

If you don't think every second counts when someone is seriously hurt, you're more of a spastic then I thought.

[Frank Ducketts]

Show me where the refs was counting from this angle.

Here's what I see,

Groves goes down

ref sends Froch to a corner

ref looks at Groves, while he(the ref) has both hands down on his knees

Where did you see the ref count?

The ref is supposed to pick up the count from someone ringside in this situation. Did he pick up the count? No. He just stopped it.

[Gr1fter]

Groves' brain switched off. Consecutive concussions is what does longterm damage, that's well established. He was going to get up, and get rendered unconscious again immediately by Froch. That's not healthy... This is a sport, we want the competitors to have longevity where possible.

[TRTboy]

This is the type of lame, clueless answer that I'm talking about. All the ref had to do was count to 8. That's all. When have these precious seconds ever helped a fighter out from brain damage to normalcy? What fight?

groves was out cold when the ref called it off. are you telling me bayless should have counted to 8 when he saw pacquiao lying face first?

the hell. These refs are there to protect the fighter. Let's say groves did not wake up and the ref counted to 8 while groves lays there motionless. Everybody here would be furious with the ref. That was a good call by the ref.

[Freelancer]

You don't know that.

Then what was the oxygen for? A breath of fresh air?

He got caught flush, dropped like a brick and the smart thing to do was to stay down until he felt able to get up, which he tried to do. Of course he wanted to go on, it was the biggest fight of his career but the ref didn't need a count to see where it was going.

[Frank Ducketts]

If you don't think every second counts when someone is seriously hurt, you're more of a spastic then I thought.

Every second that fighters are in that ring is when the damage starts. If you don't realize that then you're more of an armchair than I thought. Go watch tennis if you want refs to stop counting or stop picking up counts. They train for 8 weeks. Fighters deserve an 8 count. That's all fighters want.