Roach would like the Canelo fight for Pac at a catchweight of 150

[Evol]

Yes it is all about things like that. My issue is about being consistent, fair and honest. This is supposed to be a boxing site not a fanboy site. What does the fact that Floyd says that have to do with whether he could honestly beat Brandon Rios or not? What does it have to do with the truth of him "ducking" Pac? What does it have to do with the truth of whether he "ducked" Prime Cotto or not? This is what I am talking about consistency and honesty. Everyone on this board knows that he would completely embarrass Rios? In fact, if he ever took that fight, it would be called a cherry pick. They also know that at least on the first negotiation, Pac walked away from it, made excuses that we ultimately found out weren't true and that Roach recently admitted that THEY screwed up? We know that Cotto said himself that he never asked for or was offered a fight with Mayweather? Yet people will continually bring up these issues, lie and misrepresent the facts, just to make him look bad....and at the same time give Cotto & Pac a complete pass truth be damned as long as they can release this hate. Floyd saying the things that he does should have no bearing on what is true and what is not.

it goes both ways, why are u only acting like people attack floyd only and why do u act like this site is 90% manny fans? its funny because when someone disagree or say something negative about floyd, that person gets lable as a manny fan when half of the time that person is just speaking the truth and is not even a fan of pac. and as for the rios vs floyd thing it was an obvious hate thread just like the floyd fans making a thread about how chino would murder pac so roach better keep manny away. it goes both ways!! like the old saying goes, if u cant stand the heat get'cho ass out the kitchen LOL.

and as for the pac walking away thing, this bring me back to floyd shooting himself in the foot. before negotiation even started, floyd went on a racist rant about manny, easy work, no skill, one dimensional, then accused manny of cheating then asked for random blood test. now there is nothing wrong asking for extra test but u dont go accusing ur opponents first and calling him easy work then demand extra test and not get shiietted on by the people.

[Evol]

So have you been taking the same stance when the first negotiation when Pac and Arum lied and made it seem like Floyd was the problem? Or how about when Pac started to ask for drug testing after lying about why he couldn't do it in the first place? Let the commission do their job? Did u crucify him when he asked Rios for drug testing? This is what I am talking about...too many passes for Pac..but Floyd brought it on himself??

pac never said he couldnt do random testing. see ur getting shiiet mixed up or is just adding shiiet in to fit ur debate. pac was fine with random test it was the cut off date that wasnt agreed upon. could this just be an ego thing? maybe. i mean at the time both of them were at the top. and again this brings me back to floyd putting himself in that situation. did manny trash rios and say he was easy work, etc before asking for extra testing??? this is what i mean, people is only giving floyd the extra hate because he puts it on himself. it doesnt take much when he's putting himself out there like that.

[SUBZER0ED]

Alvarez knew he couldn't make 150 for the Mayweather fight, so he settled for the 152 CW in order to get the fight. Mayweather even tried to sucker him into 147 at first! Canelo was drained @ 152. No way he would attempt 152 again, let alone 150. I've said it before; fighters need to fight within their respective weight classes. Roach shouldn't have even commented on the nonsense of Canelo fighting Pacquiao.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports...eight/2802237/

[megadeth]

it goes both ways, why are u only acting like people attack floyd only and why do u act like this site is 90% manny fans? its funny because when someone disagree or say something negative about floyd, that person gets lable as a manny fan when half of the time that person is just speaking the truth and is not even a fan of pac. and as for the rios vs floyd thing it was an obvious hate thread just like the floyd fans making a thread about how chino would murder pac so roach better keep manny away. it goes both ways!! like the old saying goes, if u cant stand the heat get'cho ass out the kitchen LOL.

If you look at the posts and threat I would say more than 75% of the hate is directed at Floyd. Not to mention, most of the threads that I have seen, when Floyd is being attacked, even when it's proven that something was Pac's fault, or Pac did the same thing, he is never held responsible. Just look at what so many say about Pac signing his latest extension. You & I know that if that were Floyd, he would be called every "duck" "coward" name in the book. Or how about how the blame is thrown around. Almost none of the Pac fans will hold him repsonsible. Most say its all Floyds fault...and a some say its Floyd and Arum. I have RARELY heard one blame Pac for ANYTHING! Its that same old like "Pac will fight anyone that is put in front of him". The facts are, Pac could've accepted the first negotiation, he could've negotiated with Floyd while he was on the phone, he could've accepted full drug random drug testing long before he did...and he could've forced Arums hand to make the fight, but he didn't.

and as for the pac walking away thing, this bring me back to floyd shooting himself in the foot. before negotiation even started, floyd went on a racist rant about manny, easy work, no skill, one dimensional, then accused manny of cheating then asked for random blood test. now there is nothing wrong asking for extra test but u dont go accusing ur opponents first and calling him easy work then demand extra test and not get shiietted on by the people.

Didn't u say "if u cant stand the heat get'cho ass out the kitchen? This is EXACTLY what I am talking about! More excuses and let's not hold Pac accountable for anything. Wouldn't a Warrior take the challenge, get the guy in the ring and make him pay for the things that he said? Also, the problem with your excuses that you are coming up with for Pac is...HE NEVER MENTIONED THEM! Never ONCE has he said that those were the reasons why he didn't accept drug testing. Many of the fans can't understand how Floyd can after a few years say he won't work with Arum, even after he has been **** on him over and over during the negotiations "Why didn't he mention that from the beginning"?(like it wouldn't be normal human behavior to get fed up with it). Now you come up with excuses that Pac has never even said himself and that is fine....see what I keep talking about? No consistency and more hypocrisy! Pac said:

Let the commission do their job(funny why he didn't worry about the commission with his 10 mil per lb demand)
Taking blood makes me weak
He would lose time training

Maybe more, but I can't think of the others right now, But, never once did he come up with the reasons u did.

[Evol]

If you look at the posts and threat I would say more than 75% of the hate is directed at Floyd. Not to mention, most of the threads that I have seen, when Floyd is being attacked, even when it's proven that something was Pac's fault, or Pac did the same thing, he is never held responsible. Just look at what so many say about Pac signing his latest extension. You & I know that if that were Floyd, he would be called every "duck" "coward" name in the book. Or how about how the blame is thrown around. Almost none of the Pac fans will hold him repsonsible. Most say its all Floyds fault...and a some say its Floyd and Arum. I have RARELY heard one blame Pac for ANYTHING! Its that same old like "Pac will fight anyone that is put in front of him". The facts are, Pac could've accepted the first negotiation, he could've negotiated with Floyd while he was on the phone, he could've accepted full drug random drug testing long before he did...and he could've forced Arums hand to make the fight, but he didn't.



Didn't u say "if u cant stand the heat get'cho ass out the kitchen? This is EXACTLY what I am talking about! More excuses and let's not hold Pac accountable for anything. Wouldn't a Warrior take the challenge, get the guy in the ring and make him pay for the things that he said? Also, the problem with your excuses that you are coming up with for Pac is...HE NEVER MENTIONED THEM! Never ONCE has he said that those were the reasons why he didn't accept drug testing. Many of the fans can't understand how Floyd can after a few years say he won't work with Arum, even after he has been **** on him over and over during the negotiations "Why didn't he mention that from the beginning"?(like it wouldn't be normal human behavior to get fed up with it). Now you come up with excuses that Pac has never even said himself and that is fine....see what I keep talking about? No consistency and more hypocrisy! Pac said:

Let the commission do their job(funny why he didn't worry about the commission with his 10 mil per lb demand)
Taking blood makes me weak
He would lose time training

Maybe more, but I can't think of the others right now, But, never once did he come up with the reasons u did.

regarding your first statement, let me just ask u this, if floyd didnt ask for random test would the fight had been made? all jokes and all fan boys put aside, honest question, had floyd not request for random test we would have seen the fight already, correct? and pac signing an extension with TR, i cant hate him for that, the man needs to feed his family right? i also wouldnt hate floyd for that if it was floyd signing an extension. u gotta feed ur family the best way u know how too.

reagrding your second statement, like i said it could be an ego thing, at the time both of them were at the top so one is not gonna let the other demand them around. and what excuses am i making? pac never did say he's afraid of needles, it was bob who made that comment. i agree pac did say taking blood ON THE DAY of the fight will make him weak. and theres really no way we can say he's lying about this because its his body, he would know more about it than us.

and regarding your last post, like i said, it goes both ways. should i post up the countless excuses floyd dished out also? see this is what i mean, u're sitting there crying about floyd but u failed to admit that BOTH of them is the cause of the fight not happening. atleast i can sit here and admit that its BOTH of them and is not just crying about how pac doesnt get treated right, etc.

[The Tase]

roach needs to go to a corner, STFU, and never be heard from again.

you cant go lower than the catch weight that floyd did with canelo.

stop being dumb roach.

Pacquiao HAS TO EITHER fight canelo at a higher weight than what floyd did or at the exact weight, otherwise, what's the point?

Pacquiao will never get credit if he goes lower than floyd.

justifiably and rightfully so.

[megadeth]

pac never said he couldnt do random testing. see ur getting shiiet mixed up or is just adding shiiet in to fit ur debate. pac was fine with random test it was the cut off date that wasnt agreed upon. could this just be an ego thing? maybe. i mean at the time both of them were at the top. and again this brings me back to floyd putting himself in that situation. did manny trash rios and say he was easy work, etc before asking for extra testing??? this is what i mean, people is only giving floyd the extra hate because he puts it on himself. it doesnt take much when he's putting himself out there like that.

No, he wasn't "fine" with random drug testing. Seems YOU are adding **** to fit YOUR debate. At first he would only do what the commission asked which was regular drug testing. Only later did he agree to 30 then 24 days(after being caught lying again). An ego thing? Well, then it was Pacs fault either way if he let his ego get in the way. Floyd didn't let his ego get in the way when it came to Pac's demands! More excuses for Pac. Are Pac's feeling THAT sensitive? You're telling me that Pac is this WARRIOR and his feelings gets hurt from the things that Floyd says? Seriously?? Ali said A LOT worse things than Floyd has and he was loved throughout the world. Give me a break, that is NOT why people dislike him and even if it is, like I said b4, that is no reason to lie and ignore the truth.

[megadeth]

regarding your first statement, let me just ask u this, if floyd didnt ask for random test would the fight had been made? all jokes and all fan boys put aside, honest question, had floyd not request for random test we would have seen the fight already, correct? and pac signing an extension with TR, i cant hate him for that, the man needs to feed his family right? i also wouldnt hate floyd for that if it was floyd signing an extension. u gotta feed ur family the best way u know how too.

To be 100% honest, I don't know. The reason I say that is, after looking at things, I think Pac & Floyd wanted the fight, but Arum didn't. If Floyd thought that Manny was using something(which I think he did), then he had every right to ask for random testing, just as Pac had every right to ask for the weight penalty as well as demand that Rios take drug testing.
I get what u are saying about "feeding his family" and I agree with that part...BUT, there is ABSOLUTELY no reason why Pac couldn't have let the contract expire, AT LEAST explore if there was any interest in the fight from the Floyd camp, make the fight or not and then go back to Arum. Arum would be there with open arms seeing that Pac is his highest earner. Can we agree on that at least?

reagrding your second statement, like i said it could be an ego thing, at the time both of them were at the top so one is not gonna let the other demand them around. and what excuses am i making? pac never did say he's afraid of needles, it was bob who made that comment. i agree pac did say taking blood ON THE DAY of the fight will make him weak. and theres really no way we can say he's lying about this because its his body, he would know more about it than us.

Never said that Pac said he was afraid of needles. You are right, Arum said that. But, how does taking blood ON THE DAY of the fight affect what you will do 14 days before the fight, because that is what Floyd ultimately offered? IT DOESN'T! So he was lying because that was not a reason to not take the 14 day cutoff. He was also lying about when he could take drug testing, hence the reason he had to move the testing from 30 days to 24 after the video surfaced. We also know he was lying because he was willing to take the exact same random drug testing that he demanded of Rios.

and regarding your last post, like i said, it goes both ways. should i post up the countless excuses floyd dished out also? see this is what i mean, u're sitting there crying about floyd but u failed to admit that BOTH of them is the cause of the fight not happening. atleast i can sit here and admit that its BOTH of them and is not just crying about how pac doesnt get treated right, etc.

Of course it goes both ways, but do you EVER mention the excuses that Pac and Arum had? Do you or the others ever call Pac a coward or duck for not making the fight? No! It's ALL Mayweathers fault. Never once is the cut/stadium or countless other "roadblocks" and excuses by Pacs team brought up or even acknowledged. Bra, I have said MANY TIMES that it is BOTH of their faults that this fight has not been made. My apologies if that is your true opinion and that is how you have portrayed it....maybe I have u confused, but as far as I can I thought u were one of the "Floyds a coward" "Floyd don't want none" "Floyd is scared of Pac" "Floyd ducked Pac" crew. Like I said, if I am wrong, my apologies!

[el_mas_chingon]

Why not a catchweight of 155, Fack Pacman he don't deserve any advantages. If he was smart he would've not renewed his contract w/TR!

[Evol]

No, he wasn't "fine" with random drug testing. Seems YOU are adding **** to fit YOUR debate. At first he would only do what the commission asked which was regular drug testing. Only later did he agree to 30 then 24 days(after being caught lying again). An ego thing? Well, then it was Pacs fault either way if he let his ego get in the way. Floyd didn't let his ego get in the way when it came to Pac's demands! More excuses for Pac. Are Pac's feeling THAT sensitive? You're telling me that Pac is this WARRIOR and his feelings gets hurt from the things that Floyd says? Seriously?? Ali said A LOT worse things than Floyd has and he was loved throughout the world. Give me a break, that is NOT why people dislike him and even if it is, like I said b4, that is no reason to lie and ignore the truth.

i like how u choose not to answer my post regarding if floyd would have never asked for random testing would we have seen the fight already? LOL! and pac agree to random testing it was the cut off date that wasnt agreed upon. and what ego is floyd gonna have to get in his way when pac NEVER said anything bad about him or accused him of doing any wrong PRIOR to the negotaition LOL! u always seem to ignored that part from floyd. as for floyd he dished out all kinds of wrongful things towards pac, if i was manny i would tell floyd to kick rocks too at the time of the first negotiation.

now u're talking about pac's feelings being sensitive right? but u just said floyd decided not to work with arum after years or trying to negotiate for the fight and being mistreated, etc. so floyd finally comes out and said he wont do business with arum anymore. so is floyd's feelings that sensitive also? so why do u think people dislike floyd then since u seem to know all the answers LOL!