just stop it, there is no way you can argue pac man being #2 p4p

[ADP02]

Dude canelo.didnt perform like a drained fighter, he was befuddled....losing one pound didnt hurt him, the disparity in skills did

Guerrero aint no atg at least he was ranked and a former title holder off his biggest victor

Maidana was a title holder off his biggest victory

Its not always who you beat.but when you do.counts as well

Ortiz titleholder after biggest victory

Mosley as well

Cotto had regrouped and was not recovering from.a beating like when pac fought him


Do you even remember the last time may fought an unranked guy


In the past few years many fought several and lost

The HUGE problem is sticking out like a sore thumb and YOU probably know it:

You do not criticize any of Floyd's fights and just base it off of ranking YET you didn't do that with Manny who just beat Bradley who was ranked P4P #3 and had a WW title.

Furthermore, if you DON'T base it off of the rankings and analyze what time it is, you will see that it will be so so easy to criticize Floyd's opponents. Many were ranked due to a hyped up fight for one.

I personally don't care where Manny gets placed but I see hate written all over your shotty analysis.

[maguirre]

the sport must be in real bad shape when a fraud is considered the best fighter in the world p4p by active boxers, hall of famers, and trainers

You clowns should be spending all your energy in making TBDE fight the world's superstar of boxing, which is Pacman, instead of making these silly threads that prove nothing. Tell him to grow balls.

Fact that TBDE ducked an easy fight, easy money in Pacman makes all these crappy threads meaningless. Like normal people say, I have to see it to believe it. Unfortunately, TBDE chose to duck the biggest fight of the century. If he won, like spastics say he will, you clowns would have had more ammunition to bash you're idol's rival. ;-)

[Holywarrior]

Agreed. In his last 4 fights he should be 2-2 really. No way did he beat JMM in the 3rd fight

[therealpugilist]

The HUGE problem is sticking out like a sore thumb and YOU probably know it:

You do not criticize any of Floyd's fights and just base it off of ranking YET you didn't do that with Manny who just beat Bradley who was ranked P4P #3 and had a WW title.

Furthermore, if you DON'T base it off of the rankings and analyze what time it is, you will see that it will be so so easy to criticize Floyd's opponents. Many were ranked due to a hyped up fight for one.

I personally don't care where Manny gets placed but I see hate written all over your shotty analysis.

Since 2009 look at who they fought, when they fought and their ranking

Mayweather is undefeated and actually fights guys ranked at ww and jmw almost everytime out, Mayweather beat Ortiz, Maidana, Canelo, Cotto, Mosley, Maidana, Guerrero, and Ortiz all were ranked top ten in their respective weight class, all held major titles at the time of the fight, and all were coming of huge wins

Manny faced Mosley coming off a draw and hadnt won a ww fight since 2008, Margarito [U]for trinket in a weight class neither were ranked in at catchweight,[/U] earned a close decision over unranked Marquez in fight 3 which was a fight that could have went either way, lost a dec. he should have won over unranked Bradley , got ko'ed by unranked Marquez, beat unranked Rios, and finally beat Bradley who was ranked because of a win over Marquez who ko'ed Pac

these are facts and cant be disputed

just face the truth....if people can criticize Mayweather competition and every out he fights a champion or top contender, you have to be critical of Manny because the past 5 years his comp has fell of since his meteroic rise to welterweight.

[Biolink]

I got him at #4. Floyd, Wlad, Marquez, Manny, Ward.

[hugh grant]

Pac is no1 p4p above Floyd. Floyd dug his own hole, and the risk is if you cherry pick and you don't look good against your cherry pick, some think Floyd lost there are penalties that have to be payed. If Pac looked bad against Rios, Pac head would be on the chopping block.

And that is losing your no1 p4p status. If you choose bums (although id never call chino a bum, but p4p he certainly wasn't), you have a responsibility to look fantastic, that was always the danger for Floyd.

[ADP02]

Since 2009 look at who they fought, when they fought and their ranking

Mayweather is undefeated and actually fights guys ranked at ww and jmw almost everytime out, Mayweather beat Ortiz, Maidana, Canelo, Cotto, Mosley, Maidana, Guerrero, and Ortiz all were ranked top ten in their respective weight class, all held major titles at the time of the fight, and all were coming of huge wins

Manny faced Mosley coming off a draw and hadnt won a ww fight since 2008, Margarito [U]for trinket in a weight class neither were ranked in at catchweight,[/U] earned a close decision over unranked Marquez in fight 3 which was a fight that could have went either way, lost a dec. he should have won over unranked Bradley , got ko'ed by unranked Marquez, beat unranked Rios, and finally beat Bradley who was ranked because of a win over Marquez who ko'ed Pac

these are facts and cant be disputed

just face the truth....if people can criticize Mayweather competition and every out he fights a champion or top contender, you have to be critical of Manny because the past 5 years his comp has fell of since his meteroic rise to welterweight.

You are incorrect about the rankings. Or maybe it's just your agenda that we need to point out. Which one is it?


Maidana: Ranked #10 because he beat Broner who had 1 fight at WW and had trouble against Paulie Malignaggi. Yes, this is the same Broner that was fighting at 135 prior to that and 130 about a year before. This is a common theme.
So before that, Maidana was NOT ranked! Had lost to Devon Alexander.



Mosley: Floyd and Manny fought him only 1 year apart. Prior to beating a guy who just got caught cheating and who you probably give 0 credit when people bring up his name (Margarito), Mosley struggles against Mayorga and squeaked it out in round 12.

Mosley was still ranked when he fought Manny but you just proved what that means (rankings) when you don't take everything else into account. Floyd fought an OLD Mosley that hadn't fought in 16 months. Manny fought an older but more active Mosley. To me, that was the same OLD Mosley but just took YOU the Manny fight to realize and criticize ...... and lie that Mosley wasn't ranked.


Marquez: Marquez was ranked #5 P4P when he faced Manny for the 3rd time and always fights Manny tough. Especially in retrospect, you don't need no rankings to come to that conclusion UNLESS you have a silly agenda.


Bradley: Bradley I was ranked something similar to Maidana prior to the Manny fight but Bradley was also considered better than top 10 P4P for a long long time now. Bradley had the title and considered a top WW the 2nd time around. Also was undefeated.

Ortiz, Guerrero - Both took the same root to get ranked. They both beat a Berto who we all know can be beat as long as you have enough offense to penetrate his 0 defense. Not too hard! The only other opponent, Aydin went down to 140 and lost last week ....... At least as far as Ortiz is concerned, everyone at WW has beat him since that fight. It just shows you that rankings can be a joke in itself and should be taken with a grain of salt sometimes. This is a perfect example of this. For rankings to have value, the opponent needs to be consistent in that division.

Like I said, a lot of hype surrounded the rankings not consistency!


At WW, after Floyd, go check out who is ranked #1(Manny), #2(Bradley), #3(Marquez). So if rankings are the name of your game, what's up? Manny faced these top guns yet you used rankings to sh$t on him.



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[therealpugilist]

You are incorrect about the rankings. Or maybe it's just your agenda that we need to point out. Which one is it?


Maidana: Ranked #10 because he beat Broner who had 1 fight at WW and had trouble against Paulie Malignaggi. Yes, this is the same Broner that was fighting at 135 prior to that and 130 about a year before. This is a common theme.
So before that, Maidana was NOT ranked! Had lost to Devon Alexander.



Mosley: Floyd and Manny fought him only 1 year apart. Prior to beating a guy who just got caught cheating and who you probably give 0 credit when people bring up his name (Margarito), Mosley struggles against Mayorga and squeaked it out in round 12.

Mosley was still ranked when he fought Manny but you just proved what that means (rankings) when you don't take everything else into account. Floyd fought an OLD Mosley that hadn't fought in 16 months. Manny fought an older but more active Mosley. To me, that was the same OLD Mosley but just took YOU the Manny fight to realize and criticize ...... and lie that Mosley wasn't ranked.


Marquez: Marquez was ranked #5 P4P when he faced Manny for the 3rd time and always fights Manny tough. Especially in retrospect, you don't need no rankings to come to that conclusion UNLESS you have a silly agenda.


Bradley: Bradley I was ranked something similar to Maidana prior to the Manny fight but Bradley was also considered better than top 10 P4P for a long long time now. Bradley had the title and considered a top WW the 2nd time around. Also was undefeated.

Ortiz, Guerrero - Both took the same root to get ranked. They both beat a Berto who we all know can be beat as long as you have enough offense to penetrate his 0 defense. Not too hard! The only other opponent, Aydin went down to 140 and lost last week ....... At least as far as Ortiz is concerned, everyone at WW has beat him since that fight. It just shows you that rankings can be a joke in itself and should be taken with a grain of salt sometimes. This is a perfect example of this. For rankings to have value, the opponent needs to be consistent in that division.

Like I said, a lot of hype surrounded the rankings not consistency!


At WW, after Floyd, go check out who is ranked #1(Manny), #2(Bradley), #3(Marquez). So if rankings are the name of your game, what's up? Manny faced these top guns yet you used rankings to sh$t on him.



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just stop dude.....you do know when Marquez knocked out Pacquaio he wasnt ranked at welterweight

Rios wasnt ranked at ww when they fought

Bradley fought Abregu who wasnt a top ten contender prior to fighting Manny. He won a controversial fight over manny he was not ranked

How in the hell was mosley ranked at ww when Manny fought him and he hadnt fought at ww since '10 which was a loss to mayweather and he beat Margarito for the top spot back in '08....thats 2+ with no win at the weight, just stop reaching


The only reason these guys are ranked are because they hold wins over Pacquaio....Marquez is 1-3 at ww.....Bradley 4-1 at ww and should be 4-2 he lost to Manny the first fight

Just stop there is no way you can argue Manny having a better resume at 147 than Mayweather or putting Manny #1 or #2 p4p, just admit you reaching...stop making a fool of yourself.

[ADP02]

just stop dude.....you do know when Marquez knocked out Pacquaio he wasnt ranked at welterweight

Rios wasnt ranked at ww when they fought

Bradley fought Abregu who wasnt a top ten contender prior to fighting Manny. He won a controversial fight over manny he was not ranked

How in the hell was mosley ranked at ww when Manny fought him and he hadnt fought at ww since '10 which was a loss to mayweather and he beat Margarito for the top spot back in '08....thats 2+ with no win at the weight, just stop reaching


The only reason these guys are ranked are because they hold wins over Pacquaio....Marquez is 1-3 at ww.....Bradley 4-1 at ww and should be 4-2 he lost to Manny the first fight

Just stop there is no way you can argue Manny having a better resume at 147 than Mayweather or putting Manny #1 or #2 p4p, just admit you reaching...stop making a fool of yourself.

Stop it dude ..... you are just proving that you have an agenda for one.


Secondly, the only one that is making a fool of themselves is YOU.

Why?

Because you are using rankings to prove a point then discrediting the rankings that they gave Manny Pacquiao ..... face the facts. You had an agenda going into this and I know it is just an agenda that you have because you do this all the time ....

[mathed]

Bradley, Pac and JMM are all in the top 5 P4P so, he can't be further than 5 worst case.