just stop it, there is no way you can argue pac man being #2 p4p

[therealpugilist]

if you rank Pac-Man over Klitschko p4p, thats fine

but please make a legit argument why Manny should be number one or 2 p4p!!!

[DARKSEID]

Marquez was not ranked at ww when Manny beat him at ww which is a fight i scored for marquez but either way was an ok dec., bradley was not ranked their first fight and he lost a controversial dec.

Look at Klitshckos resume....when he fights guys they are actually ranked...Haye, Povetkin, Thompson, the list goes on


you cant change the truth

That's right

The truth is the Heavyweight division is completely barren of quality fighters.

The truth is dominating lesser smaller fighters doesn't guarantee you would have any kind of success against fighters of Pacquiao's caliber.

[DannYankee]

I dont think pac should be #2 (deff p4p but not 2) but at the same time due to his inactivity neither do I think Ward should be #2. It's a tough pick that #2 spot.

[bojangles1987]

if you rank Pac-Man over Klitschko p4p, thats fine

but please make a legit argument why Manny should be number one or 2 p4p!!!

He can be #2 if you feel Ward should drop. I do. If Ward gets dropped, then either Rigondeaux or Pac should be #2. I think Rigo should be #2. It's obvious how someone might disagree. Pac did just beat the #3 p4p for the second time in 2 years.

[therealpugilist]

That's right

and truth is the Heavyweight division is completely barren of quality fighters.

and this is right

Manny has beat one fighter ranked in the top ten at the time he fought them....once just once the past 5 years

Mosley was not ranked when he fought him years ago because he lost to mayweather at ww, drew with Mora at jmw, and hadnt won a fight at ww in 3 years and hadnt fought there in 2 years he was dropped

in a deep weight division that is loaded with talented fighters

face it....facts

[MaskedMurderer]

P4P

1. Mayweather
2. Pac
3. Rigo
4. JMM
5. Bradley
6. Wlad
7. Canelo
8. Garcia
9. Ward
10. Leo Santa Cruz


END THREAD

[therealpugilist]

I dont think pac should be #2 (deff p4p but not 2) but at the same time due to his inactivity neither do I think Ward should be #2. It's a tough pick that #2 spot.

I dont think Ward should be penalized for managerial problems he did look great last november but if he does past the year mark without fighting he should drop a notch but keep his world title until he loses in the ring....p4p is mythical but a world championship can only be lost in the ring, when a fighter moves up or down to campaign at another division, or he retires

[therealpugilist]

P4P


1. Mayweather
2. Pac
3. Rigo
4. JMM
5. Bradley
6. Wlad
7. Canelo
8. Garcia
9. Ward
10. Leo Santa Cruz


END THREAD

So you have Santa Cruz over Chocolatito, Hopkins, Donaire, Martinez, why is that?

[maguirre]

Don't even know why TBDE is on top. The guy is a fraud. He pulled a fake retirement to avoid tough competition, sneaked in and out of the ring and fought once a year. And people treat his ducking behavior as if it's nothing. He would not even be where he is today had he fought continuously like any normal boxer.

[therealpugilist]

Don't even know why TBDE is on top. The guy is a fraud. He pulled a fake retirement to avoid tough competition, sneaked in and out of the ring and fought once a year. And people treat his ducking behavior as if it's nothing. He would not even be where he is today had he fought continuously like any normal boxer.

the sport must be in real bad shape when a fraud is considered the best fighter in the world p4p by active boxers, hall of famers, and trainers