Showtimes not focusing on profit with Mayweather.

[daggum]

Since when fans Focused on networks profit? Do any of you own Stock in CBS/Showtime or HBO?

If they are losing Money...WHO GIVES A ****! CBS/Showtime will not go broke anytime soon that is for sure. Showtime getting what they want when they signed Mayweather...Surpassing HBO and they have done that! Showtime already have what they originally wanted when signing Mayweather

ratings say otherwise but who needs facts? spend more to get less is a winning strategy.

they wanted to lose money and only slightly increase their viewership? that was a silly desire of theirs. they should have aimed higher.

[FeFist]

Some people on this site are just...

''The company has been around for 30 years''- And? Google has been around for 20 years; that didn't stop them from investing money on things like Twitch, Youtube and others that I do not know of. Companies are always making acquisition, even if it comes at short term loss; it helps them stay relevant long term and improves the marketability of other products.

"Showtime aired big fights in the past"- And. Microsoft was unrivalled in the 90s, Yahoo was once a top search engine and ******* was the dominant social networking site. Relevance is subject to change; it cannot be denied that in the 00s HBO was the dominant network for boxing, having a strangle hold on Pacquiao and Mayweather, the two biggest ppv stars of this era.

"Showtime is losing money"- A narrow and inaccurate view. Due to the Canelo fight, things should be breaking even or have a slight profit, but that's not the main point. We do not know what their long term strategy is, or how improving their boxing brand will affect ad revenue for their non ppv bouts. Whether or not acquiring Mayweather's services is profitable will show, in the next 5 years, through whether or not that they have a sought after stable of fighters.

Guys like Thurman, Broner, Canelo, Maidana, Matthyyse and Guerrero have seen an increase in their marketability. The long term goal will probably be turning them into ppv stars. If they can collect even 400k ppv bouts, it would be a good thing because they will command less money.

[RL_GMA]

Whether Showtime makes profit with Mayweather or not, that's not what they are focusing on. Boxing will continue after Mayweather. They are thinking long term. They are using Mayweather for exposure and viewers. Not profit. The profit will come after Mayweather retires and Showtime has a big following. It seems like Showtime is going on the right path right now. They are stacking Mayweather's undercards and building young fighters. So once again, Mayweather is there for exposure. Not profit. The profits will come from the future like Thurman, Porter, Danny Garcia, Canelo, Wilder, Quillen, Leo Santa Cruz, etc.

Showtime isn't going to be anchored by their Sports / Boxing programming (and if it is, that's bad news fir the network). Showtime simply doesn't have the subscriptions HBO has. How many new subscribers does Showtime really have since Floyd signed the Showtime deal? Matter of fact, has Floyd even been on Showtime Live yet? Showtime signed Floyd because they want to compete with HBO at any cost. What's happening now though is I believe they're realizing they might be getting ****ed on their end of the deal. Showtime's initial plan was to build their Boxing / PPV brand and what other way to do it than by signing the Sport's #1 Fighter? But when you look at the guarantees Floyd is getting, they realistically only caked off the Canelo fight. Showtime will always be around but not even Floyd is gonna help them be a bigger juggernaut than HBO is and likely will still be for a long time. Cable Networks thrive off ratings and HBO is still >>>>>> in that dept.

Makes you wonder why HBO was so



when Floyd signed with Showtime.

[gman3042]

it's official

fl0mos are now:

1) psychiatrists
2) accountants
3) nielsen ratists analysts
4) expert investors

[ThePrince]

Makes you wonder why HBO was so



when Floyd signed with Showtime.

True story, before Haymon looted Showtime's bank account he went to HBO to ask them for a 6 fight $180 million deal for Floyd. They laughed him out of their office. And this was after Floyd's last few fights there looked like this:

JMM- 1 million buys
Mosley- 1.4 million buys
Cotto- 1.5 million buys
Ortiz- 1.25 million buys

If they were smart, they would've signed on to lose money... in order to profit like Show has.

[Porter's Dad]

Did anyone seriously think the Showtime deal was not going to end up in financial disaster? Espinoza's links to GBP, whose own links to Mayweather and Haymon, meant this deal was decidedly shady right from the off.

I mean, forget a post-Mayweather legacy - they're struggling with converting Floyd's numbers now into a profit. Once he's gone.....then what? HBO are just sitting back and waiting for them to implode financially.

Showtime have become entangled in the politics of boxing, which is why Adonis will get paid $2m to fight Fonfara, and will expect those numbers each time. GBP's deep roster will expect to get paid too.

Sometime in the near future, Showtime will have a clearout and heads will roll. It's all coming to a head.

[lfc19titles]

what a ****** thread, you do know after floyd goes, haymon and richard have like nobody, golden boy will go back to hbo as they offer more dates and they did not screw over gb like showtime, haymon and richard did

just a matter of time, cannot wait until richard is sued for neglecting his duties as ceo

showtime have lost like 50-60m on 2 out of 3 of floyds fights, shocking deal

hbo are still beating showtime, without losing shed loads

[The Gambler1981]

People don't get the term loss leader I guess.


You take a loss in a certain area of business which is generally a small part of the operation (and in this case a small part of a small part) to gain market share for longer term profits. In TV now live sports are the holy grail and companies pay through the nose to get exclusive access to live sporting events.

Now they obviously don't want to lose money, but how important a factor that is depends on their starting goals and paying Floyd like that says more about growing a brand and coming out ahead longer run that short run profits.

[FeFist]

it's official

fl0mos are now:

1) psychiatrists
2) accountants
3) nielsen ratists analysts
4) expert investors

Spoken like a true idiot. It's posts like yours that make me realise how ******ed certain members of this forum are. The belief that you need to be an expert in a subject area, to have a basic level of understanding, is pitiful. The only thing you're exposing is how limited your mind is.

[lfc19titles]

Did anyone seriously think the Showtime deal was not going to end up in financial disaster? Espinoza's links to GBP, whose own links to Mayweather and Haymon, meant this deal was decidedly shady right from the off.

I mean, forget a post-Mayweather legacy - they're struggling with converting Floyd's numbers now into a profit. Once he's gone.....then what? HBO are just sitting back and waiting for them to implode financially.

Showtime have become entangled in the politics of boxing, which is why Adonis will get paid $2m to fight Fonfara, and will expect those numbers each time. GBP's deep roster will expect to get paid too.

Sometime in the near future, Showtime will have a clearout and heads will roll. It's all coming to a head.

spot on

haymon and co will also end up finished once oscar kicks them out