Victor Conte : JMM is Doping and Big time.

[SUBZER0ED]

You're an idiot why not read about rather than just blurt out some nonsense.

Conte would be an idiot. Porter is working with Conte, there are legal ways to achieve what illegal PEDs do. You guys make it seem like PED will make you into Superman, big news for you it doesn't. SMH

The only "legal" supplements which cause the same rapid increase in strength & muscle mass effect of PEDs, are those which are actually PEDs themselves. Manufacturers use loopholes in the law to market them legally. A prime example is the hot new supplement, Super DMZ. A legal "over the counter" steroid. Apparently, the ban exists on steroids which are synthesized in the body via alcohol derivatives, but not ketone derivatives. http://patrickarnoldblog.com/new-ste...stance-part-i/

As for the Superman effect, uh, yeah, it does. I've seen a little ass 160-170 lb guy suddenly squat 385 lb! I've also seen a 170 lb guy suddenly become 200 lb, and shrug 450 lb! GTFOH! I could go on. The juice makes people freakishly strong, even before they get freakishly big.

[Public_Enemy]

yes i wouldn't mind if the agency that is used followed WADA guidelines AND is also credible. if USADA wasn't going to test as well then VADA should have done the testing, it was already established and had already done good work catching boxers for illegal substances (including one of conte's fighters), but marquez refused and so nsac and arum had to bring in another testing agency.

and bradley went on record as saying that manny was willing to do any testing, but i guess arum and nsac wanted to do the extra testing that they had recently set up with that other agency.

so how is that pacquiao refusing? that's just pac following what arum says again. and yes pac probably could have done testing with VADA as well, but he most likely didn't see the point of getting tested randomly by two different agencies at the same time. i mean you talk about USADA testing one guy and VADA testing another guy as silly, but getting tested randomly by two different agencies at the same time isn't silly to you? at the end of the day bradley didn't have a problem because he believed pac wanted to do any form of testing and pac proved he could do VADA as shown in his fight with rios. so there is no issue.

the difference that YOU are missing is that marquez refused VADA so arum and nsac had to bring in another agency to salvage the fight. pac was willing to do ANY testing but arum and nsac wanted their own testing for the fight.

http://www.thesweetscience.com/news/...ed-tests-begin


Does it get any more credible than having accredited WADA personnel collecting and analyzing the samples?

Again, Bradley and Pacquiao agreed to do VADA testing. Bradley did it and Pacquiao did not. That is a refusal. I can say that I'll do anything but if I don't do it. What does that mean? Testing under two companies is unnecessary. I do agree with that. But he could've done it to keep his word.

It is silly for one fighter to be tested under one set of standards and for another fighter to be tested under different standards. That's why both fighters should be tested by the same company and not separate companies.

You keep saying that Marquez refused VADA. Bradley could've taken USADA since that was Marquez's organization of choice. Also, USADA won't test if another organization is involved. They both could've done USADA testing. Bradley stuck to his choice of VADA and Marquez stayed with USADA. The stricter commission testing was the compromise.

[radioraheem]

you can believe arum if you want, but bradley said it was VADA or USADA or no fight. bradley was publicly threatening to walk away.

the nsac random testing didn't exist before the marquez vs bradley fight because if fighters wanted to do random testing they'd bring in USADA and/or VADA. but marquez refused so the new random testing was created in order to save the fight.

The facts in the end do not back up Bradley, instead they support Bob Arum. Bradley never walked away, so either Bradley was bluffing and is a liar, or Bradley didn't know what he was talking about. The NSAC drug testing wasn't established to save the fight.

With Pacquaio, Bradley said that they would be using VADA. But then few weeks later after publicly announcing that, he says 'oh I don't know what testing we are going to be using actually.'

[CubanGuyNYC]

The only "legal" supplements which cause the same rapid increase in strength & muscle mass effect of PEDs, are those which are actually PEDs themselves. Manufacturers use loopholes in the law to market them legally. A prime example is the hot new supplement, Super DMZ. A legal "over the counter" steroid. Apparently, the ban exists on steroids which are synthesized in the body via alcohol derivatives, but not ketone derivatives. http://patrickarnoldblog.com/new-ste...stance-part-i/

As for the Superman effect, uh, yeah, it does. I've seen a little ass 160-170 lb guy suddenly squat 385 lb! I've also seen a 170 lb guy suddenly become 200 lb, and shrug 450 lb! GTFOH! I could go on. The juice makes people freakishly strong, even before they get freakishly big.

I certainly believe today's athletes benefit greatly from PED use, and that the drugs can trigger a "Superman" effect. However, I've never used steroids or strength enhancing drugs in my life. I've lifted on and off for years, but have never seriously weight-trained for more than about twelve months. A few months' layoff would go by and I'd schlep my sorry ass back into the gym and start all over. My best squat, at a body weight of 170 lbs, was 425 (1 rep max). At the same weight, I would routinely shrug 315 for 12 reps.

I've known several guys who have used steroids for extended periods and attest to their effects. I've also known guys that claim (and I believe them) that they've never used steroids in their lives, yet they're seriously strong and muscular. In the latter case, genetics and work ethic go a long way toward explaining their success. Part of the confusion within this topic is that most people are simply unqualified to determine what is naturally possible and what isn't. Even with my background, which is more extensive than most, I can't be sure what's "PED-free" possible.

I start to ask questions when an athlete begins to do things that are rarely seen, as when their athletic performance remains unchanged (or even improved) from their prime years. Of course, in the absence of a failed drug test, other concerns have to be weighed before we go pointing fingers. In JMM's case, I think I've seen enough to believe he's using PEDs. I might very well be wrong, but I feel comfortable in making that statement. I'd be willing to put my money where my mouth is, if there were any way to prove it either way.

[bojangles1987]

But hey, using that logic one could definitely make an accusation against pacquiao too. He was a former fcking flyweight standing 5"6 who put beatings on the likes of margarita and cotto, full fledged Welters.

And Floyd, not so much in the maidana fight but in a couple others, was looking nothing like a 30 something year old man in The way he moved. Plus he was looking way beefier and cut.

Pacquiao brought those su****ions upon himself when he refused testing in 2010. Go ahead and accuse him.

Just don't pretend Marquez isn't just as su****ious. He is. That's my only problem, are how people are playing blind about Marquez when he's su****ious for every single reason people said Pacquiao was.

[King of Sting]

You're an idiot why not read about rather than just blurt out some nonsense.

Conte would be an idiot. Porter is working with Conte, there are legal ways to achieve what illegal PEDs do.

You guys make it seem like PED will make you into Superman, big news for you it doesn't.

SMH

Juanita suddenly looks like he has herculean power. Hmm, it just showed up out of nowhere, right? kinda like Mcgwire, Barry, and Sosa all of a sudden showing freakish power, those dudes were well-known power hitters before the PEDS, but, we all saw what juicin' could do.

[King of Sting]

Pacquiao brought those su****ions upon himself when he refused testing in 2010. Go ahead and accuse him.

Just don't pretend Marquez isn't just as su****ious. He is. That's my only problem, are how people are playing blind about Marquez when he's su****ious for every single reason people said Pacquiao was.

Yeah, but, PAC is now open to OST; while Juanita and Memo has rejected WADA. Remember when Rigondeaux(Memo is his S&C) suddenly went into hiding? They too refused WADA.

[Wenpire]

Common he just stating the obvious. U dont go through puberty and turn into the terminator at age 40.

[radioraheem]

Yeah, but, PAC is now open to OST; while Juanita and Memo has rejected WADA. Remember when Rigondeaux(Memo is his S&C) suddenly went into hiding? They too refused WADA.

What are you talking about? Rigondeaux used and accepted VADA.

[Public_Enemy]

Yeah, but, PAC is now open to OST; while Juanita and Memo has rejected WADA. Remember when Rigondeaux(Memo is his S&C) suddenly went into hiding? They too refused WADA.

Rigo took VADA testing and he never worked with Memo to my knowledge. That was just a rumor.

Marquez did stringent testing using WADA officials/regulations for the Bradley fight.