Victor Conte : JMM is Doping and Big time.

[Divine Hammer]

Because USADA will not do random drug testing while another agency is doing it at the same time. So that's another reason why NSAC came into play.

Also, Arum is not a fan of either USADA or VADA. He feels it should be handled by the Commission. That's why Team Pacquaio didn't use VADA for his second fight against Bradley, and only used NSAC for random drug testing. They only used VADA for the Rios fight because the fight was being held outside of Nevada, overseas in China.

that's weird of USADA.

well then marquez should have done VADA testing. this idea that conte is somehow in charge or has any large influence over VADA is a myth and margareth goodman (real owner of VADA) has repeatedly said that conte has no involvement in the decision making or anything else at VADA.

in fact, VADA caught berto (who was connected to conte at the time) for an illegal substance.

so if VADA is really controlled by conte then that positive test would have been swept under the rug, right?

VADA is very credible and very stringent with its testing and it was marquez's refusal to do VADA that led to arum and nsac setting up this extra testing of their own in order to salvage the fight.

like alvarado, marquez refused VADA testing.

[Public_Enemy]

so then why didn't he do USADA and bradley did VADA? in the contract it said vada and usada testing.

and pacquiao wanted to do VADA testing for the second fight (bradley confirms this and pac did VADA for his fight with rios), but i guess arum decided that nsac would be doing the extra testing.

You kind of answered your own question. Bob came up with the stringent commission testing as a solution for Bradley/Marquez. It's silly to use two separate organizations. Both fighters should undergo the same testing.

It's really similar situations to be honest. Pacquiao and Bradley both worked out everything for their second fight except testing. As with the Marquez situation, Bradley said he thought they were going to do VADA testing. In the end they used the stricter NSAC testing.

January- Pac/Bradley agree to VADA testing
February- Bradley not sure what testing they're doing
April- Strict NSAC testing

What's the difference in these scenarios?

[Divine Hammer]

Yes, he said that, because he thought he was the boss. And he also didn't read his contract well. Arum said Bradley didn't read his contract correctly, that it doesn't say VADA or USADA. That's why Bradley got quiet afterwards.

so now you are willing to trust arum?

[Evol]

so now you are willing to trust arum?

i think he's going with the "bradley got quiet" statement.

[Divine Hammer]

You kind of answered your own question. Bob came up with the stringent commission testing as a solution for Bradley/Marquez. It's silly to use two separate organizations. Both fighters should undergo the same testing.

It's really similar situations to be honest. Pacquiao and Bradley both worked out everything for their second fight except testing. As with the Marquez situation, Bradley said he thought they were going to do VADA testing. In the end they used the stricter NSAC testing.

January- Pac/Bradley agree to VADA testing
February- Bradley not sure what testing they're doing
April- Strict NSAC testing

What's the difference in these scenarios?

how is it silly for one fighter to do USADA and the other to do VADA? both are credible and follow WADA guidelines, right?

and the difference between the testign for pac vs bradley and marquez vs bradley is that bradley confirmed pac was willing to do ANY testing including VADA, but for one reason or another arum and nsac decided they wanted to do the extra testing. plus pac has done VADA testing before so he has proven that he is willing to do any testing.

in the bradley vs marquez case, marquez refused VADA outright.

[radioraheem]

that's weird of USADA.

well then marquez should have done VADA testing. this idea that conte is somehow in charge or has any large influence over VADA is a myth and margareth goodman (real owner of VADA) has repeatedly said that conte has no involvement in the decision making or anything else at VADA.

in fact, VADA caught berto (who was connected to conte at the time) for an illegal substance.

so if VADA is really controlled by conte then that positive test would have been swept under the rug, right?

VADA is very credible and very stringent with its testing and it was marquez's refusal to do VADA that led to arum and nsac setting up this extra testing of their own in order to salvage the fight.

like alvarado, marquez refused VADA testing.

Your point still fall to pieces because Marquez still underwent random drug testing where his samples were tested with a WADA accredited lab, just as it would have been with VADA and USADA. So yes, he refused VADA testing, but he agreed to it's alternate equivalent. And in the Bradley fight, his performance was bland, ordinary. Alvarado hasn't done a goddamn thing, not one single time in regards to random drug testing.

Conte being associated with VADA is kinda troubling. No one even knew about VADA until Conte publicly announced it. And when he announced it, he was saying that he was the one putting it together. Like it was a partnership and he spearheaded it.

Then on top of that, he SPONSORS fighters. He sponsors Edwin Rodriguez, he sponsored the Provodnikov test, and there were some other cases. He seems to have significant power within VADA. He's even leaked information about what they test for, or how they test, which had been previously unknown to outsiders. So I have no problems with anyone being su****ious of VADA, and choosing USADA or NSAC instead.

I think VADA is a good organization, but it's ties with Conte is concerning.

[Alibata]

I give Marquez the benefit of the doubt as there is no proof. But if I had to put money on if or not he is on PEDS, I would put the bank on it.

[radioraheem]

how is it silly for one fighter to do USADA and the other to do VADA? both are credible and follow WADA guidelines, right?

and the difference between the testign for pac vs bradley and marquez vs bradley is that bradley confirmed pac was willing to do ANY testing including VADA, but for one reason or another arum and nsac decided they wanted to do the extra testing. plus pac has done VADA testing before so he has proven that he is willing to do any testing.

in the bradley vs marquez case, marquez refused VADA outright.

It is silly, but you've gotta understand that Conte and Heredia are literally at war everyday online. Moreso, Conte. Conte attacks Heredia literally everyday on Twitter. And Conte is a huge advocate of VADA, and is condescending towards anything other than VADA. So I can see why VADA was of no interest to Team Marquez (because Heredia is against Conte).

Bradley assumed Pacquaio was willing to do any testing, but he thought wrong. Arum calls the shots when it comes to Pacquaio, and Arum was never a fan of VADA. He only allowed for Pacquaio to use VADA with Rios because the fight was being held outside of Nevada (NSAC cannot test other fighters that won't be fighting inside of Nevada for obvious reasons). But Arum is not a fan of VADA, nor USADA.

[Larry the boss]

So basically Conte says commission testing is a joke

[Divine Hammer]

Your point still fall to pieces because Marquez still underwent random drug testing where his samples were tested with a WADA accredited lab, just as it would have been with VADA and USADA. So yes, he refused VADA testing, but he agreed to it's alternate equivalent. And in the Bradley fight, his performance was bland, ordinary. Alvarado hasn't done a goddamn thing, not one single time in regards to random drug testing.

Conte being associated with VADA is kinda troubling. No one even knew about VADA until Conte publicly announced it. And when he announced it, he was saying that he was the one putting it together. Like it was a partnership and he spearheaded it.

Then on top of that, he SPONSORS fighters. He sponsors Edwin Rodriguez, he sponsored the Provodnikov test, and there were some other cases. He seems to have significant power within VADA. He's even leaked information about what they test for, or how they test, which had been previously unknown to outsiders. So I have no problems with anyone being su****ious of VADA, and choosing USADA or NSAC instead.

I think VADA is a good organization, but it's ties with Conte is concerning.

i doubt this other testing agency is as stringent as VADA. it definitely doesn't carry the same credibility as VADA.

and again margaret goodman has said on numerous occasions that she and conte are good friends and that she initially sought conte in order to help educate her on the world of doping and that's it.

and how is it unusual for conte to say what VADA tests for and how they test? if they follow WADA guidelines then whatever WADA deems as illegal is what they test for, right? and just because he knows how they test is su****ious as well? like i said before margaret goodman is good friends with conte so she probably just told him. it's not like that means conte controls how testing is done. it means he has insider knowledge because he's good friends with the owner of the company.

and maybe the sponsorship has to do with the fact that they seek conte's help and use his nutrition products. isn't edwin rodriguez involved in VADA testing? same with provodnikov?

but this idea that conte ever had any control or influence over vada should have died when berto was caught for an illegal substance. it's not unusual for conte to be a big supporter or friend of margaret goodman and her company. **** pound (former president of WADA) is also good friends with conte as well.