Cuauhtemoc1520's take on this weekend 5\17\14

[Ragnar Lothbrok]

There isn't a set age at where you start to decline, it's different for everyone. Sometimes 32 is old, sometimes 40 is young.

My point is that Pac came from 106lbs to knocking out welters. Mosley was deep into his career and still fighting at a high level.

You are trying to make it seems as though there's a set age and there isn't. I don't think JMM is the same fighter he was 5-6 years ago as far as speed and quickness, but the skill is still there.

what a ****** ass post.

absolutely ******.

no wonder you always get pwned in the lounge with this kind of level ******ity.

1. pacquiao wasnt knocking out welters. who did he KO that was a welterweight? Cotto? a guy who had been getting hurt and hanging on for dear life in a lot of fights at 140 and 147 before pacquiao ever got to him. He's no bigger than pac. He couldnt ko clottey, didnt even do damage to his face. he couldnt ko shane. hell he couldnt ko brandon rios. he couldnt ko marquez. he couldnt ko bradley twice. where the peds not working then? please dont make me laugh and say oscar. smdh at knocking out welters come on dude, you are better than this. i think.

2. coming from 106lbs? again with this ****** division climb balderdash that has been debunked several times already? THERE IS NOTHING SU****IOUS ABOUT PACQUIAO'S DIVISION CLIMB. NONE WHATSOEVER. BEEN DONE BEFORE COUNTLESS TIMES IN BOXING HISTORY IN EVEN MORE PRONOUNCED FASHION THAN PACQUIAO.

3. excellence in advance age is a su****ious criteria. we are talking about athletes here. they have a limited amount of time to make money off of their physical and athletic talent. father time is undefeated and anybody who starts getting acne in bunches when he didnt have them before along with having better bodies at 40 than they had in their prime, along with hiring balco's chief chemist IS ABUSING PEDS.

4. stop the false equivalencies. stop equating jmm's su****ious actions with pacquiao or mosley. JMM stands alone here. there is no comparison. lol at shane fighting at a high level. even in that margarito fight it was the same old washed up shane who was made to look better by a shot margarito who was coming off the debilitating victory vs cotto.

stop talking out of your ass.

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

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what a ****** ass post.

absolutely ******.

no wonder you always get pwned in the lounge with this kind of level ******ity.

1. pacquiao wasnt knocking out welters. who did he KO that was a welterweight? Cotto? a guy who had been getting hurt and hanging on for dear life in a lot of fights at 140 and 147 before pacquiao ever got to him. He's no bigger than pac. He couldnt ko clottey, didnt even do damage to his face. he couldnt ko shane. hell he couldnt ko brandon rios. he couldnt ko marquez. he couldnt ko bradley twice. where the peds not working then? please dont make me laugh and say oscar. smdh at knocking out welters come on dude, you are better than this. i think.

So you say he wasn't knocking out welters, then gave example of two he knocked out....LOL

Kind of proved my point and I see my fan club is showing it's head.
Go away, grown ups are talking boxing.

2. coming from 106lbs? again with this ****** division climb balderdash that has been debunked several times already? THERE IS NOTHING SU****IOUS ABOUT PACQUIAO'S DIVISION CLIMB. NONE WHATSOEVER. BEEN DONE BEFORE COUNTLESS TIMES IN BOXING HISTORY IN EVEN MORE PRONOUNCED FASHION THAN PACQUIAO.

Not when you are destroying guys 20+ lbs more than you. Guys like Clottey and Marg were completely dominated by Pac. Oh and by the way, Cotto and Pac aren't the same size. Being the same height doesn't mean you are the same size. Mass matters, you don't know enough to understand this.

3. excellence in advance age is a su****ious criteria. we are talking about athletes here. they have a limited amount of time to make money off of their physical and athletic talent. father time is undefeated and anybody who starts getting acne in bunches when he didnt have them before along with having better bodies at 40 than they had in their prime, along with hiring balco's chief chemist IS ABUSING PEDS.

I never said he wasn't or was on them. I unlike you don't make factual claims without proof. I leave that to the ****** little kids of NSB to do that and I see you are keeping up the tradition.

4. stop the false equivalencies. stop equating jmm's su****ious actions with pacquiao or mosley. JMM stands alone here. there is no comparison. lol at shane fighting at a high level. even in that margarito fight it was the same old washed up shane who was made to look better by a shot margarito who was coming off the debilitating victory vs cotto.

stop talking out of your ass.

So you think JMM is the only one on drugs? LOL , look you are a troll, bring nothing to this conversation. You can disagree with me and make a case, but insulting me only proves you don't have the capacity to discuss anything intelligently.

Adios.

[SnakeVen0m]

what a ****** ass post.

absolutely ******.

no wonder you always get pwned in the lounge with this kind of level ******ity.

1. pacquiao wasnt knocking out welters. who did he KO that was a welterweight? Cotto? a guy who had been getting hurt and hanging on for dear life in a lot of fights at 140 and 147 before pacquiao ever got to him. He's no bigger than pac. He couldnt ko clottey, didnt even do damage to his face. he couldnt ko shane. hell he couldnt ko brandon rios. he couldnt ko marquez. he couldnt ko bradley twice. where the peds not working then? please dont make me laugh and say oscar. smdh at knocking out welters come on dude, you are better than this. i think.

2. coming from 106lbs? again with this ****** division climb balderdash that has been debunked several times already? THERE IS NOTHING SU****IOUS ABOUT PACQUIAO'S DIVISION CLIMB. NONE WHATSOEVER. BEEN DONE BEFORE COUNTLESS TIMES IN BOXING HISTORY IN EVEN MORE PRONOUNCED FASHION THAN PACQUIAO.

3. excellence in advance age is a su****ious criteria. we are talking about athletes here. they have a limited amount of time to make money off of their physical and athletic talent. father time is undefeated and anybody who starts getting acne in bunches when he didnt have them before along with having better bodies at 40 than they had in their prime, along with hiring balco's chief chemist IS ABUSING PEDS.

4. stop the false equivalencies. stop equating jmm's su****ious actions with pacquiao or mosley. JMM stands alone here. there is no comparison. lol at shane fighting at a high level. even in that margarito fight it was the same old washed up shane who was made to look better by a shot margarito who was coming off the debilitating victory vs cotto.

stop talking out of your ass.

Damn Ragnar, you would think you were talking to Knut.

[CubanGuyNYC]

Just wanted to echo the sentiments of (most) everyone else, Cuauh. Great report!

[CubanGuyNYC]

Great post as usual Cua, but ill bite at the PED part.

PEDs are no longer the primitive 50's soviet era steroids that just make you muscles bigger and make you stronger. There are designer drugs now that can do wonders in many aspects of athletics and many are undetectable. Steroids can make you stronger, give you better stamina, and make you heal many times faster. Imagine getting a drug that allows you to train one day and heal fast enough to train the next day at the same pace. Or a drug that gives you an amazing boost of stamina so you can finish a fight feeling the same in round 12 as round 1. Or a drug that makes you more explosive. All of these things are basically possible with todays drugs. Now It wont make the average joe into FLoyd or pac but it can make a great fighter that much better.

During the 90s baseball steroids era, there were rejections saying that PEDs cant give you better timing or make you hit the ball better, yet pretty much all of the best homerun hitters of the last 25 years have either tested positive or been heavily tied to PEDs. Now im not saying JMM is on them but i would not be surprised in the least, they can do wonders and theres a reason so many fighters and athletes risk so much to use them, and thats because they work

Agree 100%. PEDs can make good athletes great and great athletes legends. Jose Canseco claimed he wouldn't have even been a major league-level player if it weren't for steroids. Yet, the guy became a superstar, the highest paid baseball player at one point, and a potential Hall-of-Famer if MLB hadn't caught on to his steroid use.

[-MAKAVELLI-]

no Cuah...Shane still sucks

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

no Cuah...Shane still sucks

Shane isn't the same now, but he went way past Oscar in terms of relevance. Again, I think it depends on the fighter, but if we are just going to point the finger at JMM, he's not alone.

[CubanGuyNYC]

Again, I don't disagree with you. I just think that comparing baseball to boxing isn't really fair.

Barry Bonds was a HOF player before juicing. So was Sosa. JMM like them, had the skills and if he is juicing, it's definitely extending his career.

My only point is that some (not you) are saying that it's purely the drugs. I just disagree because his skill is all his own.



He had that skill set before he supposedly started juicing though. That was my only point, of course PED's can make you better, if they didn't athletes wouldn't take them.

I'm just saying that JMM is skillful, and those drugs didn't magically give him those skills.

Everyone agrees Bonds would've probably been a Hall-of-Famer without the juice. (Sosa, probably not. But that's another matter. I don't want to get any more embroiled in this topic than I already am. lol) Nonetheless, there's a gigantic difference between hitting four hundred home runs and hitting five hundred homers, let alone shattering Aaron's record of 755.

I see JMM as mirroring the steroid-tainted achievements of Roger Clemens. "The Rocket" was already one of the greatest pitchers in baseball history when he extended not just his career, but the greatness of his performance. Before everyone came under scrutiny, people marveled at Clemens's finding the "Fountain of Youth."

Athletes are using banned substances to enhance their performance and extend their careers. There's simply no denying it. Marquez is displaying telltale signs of guilt. Without a failed drug test, there's no way we can be 100% certain. But it's naive to think that the guilty are always caught (just as it's naive to think the caught are always guilty). If there were a way to confirm, I'd bet a lot of money that Juan Manual has juiced in recent fights. In fact, I'd bet that several others, like Manny, have also.

[-MAKAVELLI-]

Shane isn't the same now, but he went way past Oscar in terms of relevance. Again, I think it depends on the fighter, but if we are just going to point the finger at JMM, he's not alone.

who was that kid they showed highlights of again? one of the non-televised bouts...he looked good in the 5secs HBO decided to give us

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

who was that kid they showed highlights of again? one of the non-televised bouts...he looked good in the 5secs HBO decided to give us

Oh yea, Oscar Valdez? He's really been moving up the ladder and looking good. Can punch with both hands, is exciting and can box as well.

Kid is from Nogales, Mexico and has 11 wins, with 11 ko's.