Cuauhtemoc1520's take on this weekend 5\17\14

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

Ragnar Lothbrok

you responded to his post TS then put him on your ignore list so he could not respond.

he did not call you anything, he described what he thought your post was.

but hey you can do what you want.

just pointing out the difference in case you didn't know.

He called me ****** about 5 times and told me to stop talking out of my ass...

Look, you can disagree with me, I don't care. Loaded Wraps is a good example of one of the posters I enjoy talking to here because we don't agree on everything, but manage to talk like grown ups and defend our arguments with facts and logic.

If you are going to open up the conversation by calling me an idiot or ******, what's the ***in point? I understand it's the internet but you know what gets me about trolls like him, is that he would NEVER talk like this to people in person so why do it at all?

CubanNYC, Loadedwraps and to name a few that I actually have decent convo's with. We can clown in the Lounge, but I don't have room for that **** here because NSB is filled with trolling threads. You can join Ragnar and everyone else there and do what you guys do.

I just don't have time for that nonsense. Present your case, and maybe I will agree. I don't know everything there is to know about the sport. I never claimed to. I was PM'd about doing a post fight piece and I have. If you like it great if you don't great too but just don't act like a 5 year old.

Oh and for the record, I have never ignored anyone ever since being here and that's the truth. Or do I have an alt. I'm here to talk boxing man, that's it. It's also the internet, it's not that serious.

[soul_survivor]

people keep saying alvarados plan was to box early in the fight, so is not throwing any punches and standing with ur hands up regarded as boxing now???

Mike was like that 90% of the fight and rarely came alive, let's forget boxing, brawling, aggression, Alv refused to let his hands go, that's the bottom line.

[Edmond Dantes]

Where do you watch that? Obviously I watch it on HBO but when I saw that group they looked to be much better than what I was listening to.

It was a full fight replay the next day. I'll try to find a link for you. Lederman was actually quite good, it was just the other guy leading it that spouted rubbish constantly.

[raf727]

He had that skill set before he supposedly started juicing though. That was my only point, of course PED's can make you better, if they didn't athletes wouldn't take them.

I'm just saying that JMM is skillful, and those drugs didn't magically give him those skills.

I agree wholeheartedly that he had the skills, but I just meant as a whole, overall that Steroids do indeed have the ability to make you a better fighter. I've been in numerous gyms in the states training, mostly in PA, and I can say that a seriously large portion of fighters are doing steroids in some form or another. I will admit that there was a time when I fell victim to it as well, and it definately helped me in numerous ways like recovery time, stamina/endurance. I don't think it helps in any way with punching power or punch resistance and the like, but you can definately be more agile and athletic, train longer and harder, recover faster, build endurance quicker etc. depending on what you use.

I think people assumed for a long time that because boxing doesn't benefit from big time muscle gains that steroids have no benefit and that is false. There are a ridiculous amount of different types of Anabolic and Androgenic Steroids that effect the body in different ways.

You go to any gym in the world, not just fight gyms, and people are juicing to improve themselves for no reason. It would be naive to assume that people who are hoping on million dollar careers potentially and stardom wouldn't be doing the same thing. A scary trend is these 'strength and conditioning' trainers and scientific 'athletic performance experts' who posess the knowledge to make whatever you do undetectable, regardless of Olympic Style testing or random or whatever. Science is far ahead of the detection techniques, and when you have a guy like Marquez, and not taking anything away from his achievments because I believe all the top tier guys are doing something of the sort, hire a person like Memo who has a resume in the juicing business it makes you wonder at the least.

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

I agree wholeheartedly that he had the skills, but I just meant as a whole, overall that Steroids do indeed have the ability to make you a better fighter. I've been in numerous gyms in the states training, mostly in PA, and I can say that a seriously large portion of fighters are doing steroids in some form or another. I will admit that there was a time when I fell victim to it as well, and it definately helped me in numerous ways like recovery time, stamina/endurance. I don't think it helps in any way with punching power or punch resistance and the like, but you can definately be more agile and athletic, train longer and harder, recover faster, build endurance quicker etc. depending on what you use.

I think people assumed for a long time that because boxing doesn't benefit from big time muscle gains that steroids have no benefit and that is false. There are a ridiculous amount of different types of Anabolic and Androgenic Steroids that effect the body in different ways.

You go to any gym in the world, not just fight gyms, and people are juicing to improve themselves for no reason. It would be naive to assume that people who are hoping on million dollar careers potentially and stardom wouldn't be doing the same thing. A scary trend is these 'strength and conditioning' trainers and scientific 'athletic performance experts' who posess the knowledge to make whatever you do undetectable, regardless of Olympic Style testing or random or whatever. Science is far ahead of the detection techniques, and when you have a guy like Marquez, and not taking anything away from his achievments because I believe all the top tier guys are doing something of the sort, hire a person like Memo who has a resume in the juicing business it makes you wonder at the least.

I agree, like I said if there was no benefit the athletes wouldn't be taking them. Again, my point is that his skills in the sport have nothing to do with the drugs. Of course they make him faster, stronger and help him recover quicker if he is on them.

I don't like to speculate, didn't with Pac and I just think that unfortunately we need better testing. If not, then we will never catch these guys and we will have to live with the steroid era.

[Dr Rumack]

Do you think it's true that Nacho said he has about 5 or 6 Marquez' lined up at Romanza?

If that's true, there will be some good prospects coming out of there. I know Orlandito Del Valle said the hardest sparring he's ever done was there by far.

Do you know much about the roots of JMM's style? Like his posture and his unusual positioning of his lead hand? Does Marquez come from any school in particular or is he one of a kind?

[Dr Rumack]

developing the type of airtight tests required in high level athletics take years. the tests follow the drugs, not the other way around.


if heredia is developing new drugs, there are no tests that exist to detect them. the drugs will have to be "discovered" by the testing bodies / athletic commissions first. then, they develop tests. that takes years.


the best way to do this, from what i've read, is to freeze samples [piss and blood, maybe even sh#t and hair,] for several years. in time, the drugs that are being developed today will be something that a test can detect. you'd keep the samples for years, and test them annually for new drugs.

The only test Armstrong ever failed was a frozen sample from the 90s that they detected EPO in after a test had been developed.

I think they have to develop the capacity to recognise the chemical signature of a drug before they can test for it. It takes a while to figure out exactly what they're looking for and how to filter out the other noise (like masking agents) that may be in the sample.

By freezing samples they are there forever to be tested when the technology is developed and they know what they're looking for.

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

Do you know much about the roots of JMM's style? Like his posture and his unusual positioning of his lead hand? Does Marquez come from any school in particular or is he one of a kind?

Yes of course, it comes from the late great Arturo "Cuyo" Hernandez. He's considered the greatest trainer in the history of Mexico and developed the "Mexico City style" which you see Marquez and many other fighters use.

He taught Nacho and had fighter like Finito Lopez, Lupe Pintor, Ruben Olivares, Carlos Zarate, Alfonso Zamora, Kid Azteca and many more. He had like 15 world champs he brought up from scratch.