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  • Cuauhtémoc1520
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    Cuauhtemoc1520's take on this weekend 5\17\14

    Good weekend of fights on HBO. Here's my take on the two fights we saw.

    Postol vs Aydin

    I was very impressed with Postol's boxing and conditioning. To have that level of work rate that late in the fight was impressive. He throws really nice combinations, has a great jab and of course his length and height are going to be a serious problem for anyone in that weight class.

    If I had to critique one thing, it was that he doesn't move his head much and they pointed that out. He will have trouble with pressure fighters with power who can get on the inside, because he himself isn't a big puncher so he's going to have to have better head movement and foot movement in the future. He's young though and that can be done.

    Aydin was really frustrated, he was just looking for the one shot. I thought he made a tactical mistake in just looking for that left hook up top, I thought he should have thrown it underneath to the body and when he did later in the fight he hurt Postol. Too little too late though.

    Marquez vs Alvarado

    IMO Alvarado's trainer made a huge mistake in wanting to box with JMM early in that fight. I understand JMM is 40 but he's a master boxer and there was no way Alvarado was going to stand on the outside and win that battle. He should have gone forward from the beginning, let it all hang out and rolled the dice on hurting the smaller man.

    Instead he gave away the first 6-7 rounds, found himself in a hole, then the trainer was telling him to come forward. He did get a knock down but you could see he was hesitant to throw because of the accuracy of JMM. I also hate when the announcers say that Alvarado wasn't doing this or that. It wasn't what Alvarado wasn't doing, as much as it was what JMM was doing.

    When you face a master counter puncher like JMM, Mayweather or Hopkins, you see the work rate of the other fighter slow down. This is not a coincidence. It happens with these specific fighters because when you miss, they make you pay. So you become hesitant to throw like you normally would. I was getting so sick of Max Kellerman mentioning that Alvarado was scared to throw because of the Provodnikov fight....Max Kellerman needs to put the gloves on and box because he can say some really idiotic things.

    As far as the PED's talk, I will say one thing and leave it at this. There is a trend among late 30's, early 40's fighters that are finding the "fountain of youth" in their careers. I don't have proof of what is going on, but if something is, it's not limited to JMM. You would have to throw JMM, Pac, Mosely and a whole bunch of other guys in there if you want to make accusations.

    Saying that, there's no amount of drugs that can make you a more skilled boxer and JMM is truly a master. 57% accuracy, reeling off 4,5,6,7 punch combos all landing on the button. I know Alvarado is there to be hit, but for a 40 year old who is a career light weight dominating a Jr Welter in his prime, is beyond impressive.

    The size difference at the weigh in was astonishing. Alvarado was towering over JMM and his mass was just that of a different weight class. Yet JMM took him to school from round 1 and I thought could have made it a boring fight by just boxing his ears off but chose to engage for the crowd. Not only is JMM a master at what he does, he understands that boxing is also entertainment and made it a very exciting fight.

    Marquez is one of the greatest to ever come of out Mexico and that's saying a lot for a country with the history of boxing Mexico has. Some have said he's better that Chavez Sr, I don't think so. Chavez Sr was on another level and we may never see another one like that ever. Marquez is great though and is climbing the ranks of the greats from Mexico. His technique is really unmatched in boxing and if you want to learn how to throw combo's, I suggest watching Marquez videos.
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    great break down. Should do this for all major fights it was a joy reading.

    and you are correct max kellerman and lampley were just refusing to give marquez any credit it was more of what mike wasnt doing cause of what ruslan did to him lol what a joke they were that night./

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    • Kagami Taiga
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      Bro u should have your own column on here.

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      • Cuauhtémoc1520
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        Thanks, I been PM'd by some to do this after every big fight so I thought I would just lend my insight as a trainer and former fighter to this.

        Of course it's just my opinion. I really think the commentating on Showtime is leagues above HBO at this point. I like Lampley's voice and expressions, but Kellerman is just saying the dumbest things at this point and Roy Jones is hard to listen to.

        He's a great in the boxing world, but sometimes I feel embarrassed just listening to him talk.

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        • Edmond Dantes
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          Another good breakdown from you Cuau, you're on a roll.

          The commentating was as equally bad on the Top Rank airing. I was hoping Bradley would put right some of the incorrect things they were saying but he had little input which was disappointing at best.
          Last edited by Edmond Dantes; 05-19-2014, 08:40 AM.

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            #6
            Originally posted by Edmond Dantes
            Another good breakdown from you Cuau, you're on a roll.

            The commentating was as equally bad on the Top Rank airing. I was hoping Bradley would put right some of the incorrect things they were saying but he had little input which was disappointing at best.
            Where do you watch that? Obviously I watch it on HBO but when I saw that group they looked to be much better than what I was listening to.

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              #7
              Originally posted by Cuauhtémoc1520
              Good weekend of fights on HBO. Here's my take on the two fights we saw.

              Postol vs Aydin

              I was very impressed with Postol's boxing and conditioning. To have that level of work rate that late in the fight was impressive. He throws really nice combinations, has a great jab and of course his length and height are going to be a serious problem for anyone in that weight class.

              If I had to critique one thing, it was that he doesn't move his head much and they pointed that out. He will have trouble with pressure fighters with power who can get on the inside, because he himself isn't a big puncher so he's going to have to have better head movement and foot movement in the future. He's young though and that can be done.

              Aydin was really frustrated, he was just looking for the one shot. I thought he made a tactical mistake in just looking for that left hook up top, I thought he should have thrown it underneath to the body and when he did later in the fight he hurt Postol. Too little too late though.

              Marquez vs Alvarado

              IMO Alvarado's trainer made a huge mistake in wanting to box with JMM early in that fight. I understand JMM is 40 but he's a master boxer and there was no way Alvarado was going to stand on the outside and win that battle. He should have gone forward from the beginning, let it all hang out and rolled the dice on hurting the smaller man.

              Instead he gave away the first 6-7 rounds, found himself in a hole, then the trainer was telling him to come forward. He did get a knock down but you could see he was hesitant to throw because of the accuracy of JMM. I also hate when the announcers say that Alvarado wasn't doing this or that. It wasn't what Alvarado wasn't doing, as much as it was what JMM was doing.

              When you face a master counter puncher like JMM, Mayweather or Hopkins, you see the work rate of the other fighter slow down. This is not a coincidence. It happens with these specific fighters because when you miss, they make you pay. So you become hesitant to throw like you normally would. I was getting so sick of Max Kellerman mentioning that Alvarado was scared to throw because of the Provodnikov fight....Max Kellerman needs to put the gloves on and box because he can say some really idiotic things.

              As far as the PED's talk, I will say one thing and leave it at this. There is a trend among late 30's, early 40's fighters that are finding the "fountain of youth" in their careers. I don't have proof of what is going on, but if something is, it's not limited to JMM. You would have to throw JMM, Pac, Mosely and a whole bunch of other guys in there if you want to make accusations.

              Saying that, there's no amount of drugs that can make you a more skilled boxer and JMM is truly a master. 57% accuracy, reeling off 4,5,6,7 punch combos all landing on the button. I know Alvarado is there to be hit, but for a 40 year old who is a career light weight dominating a Jr Welter in his prime, is beyond impressive.

              The size difference at the weigh in was astonishing. Alvarado was towering over JMM and his mass was just that of a different weight class. Yet JMM took him to school from round 1 and I thought could have made it a boring fight by just boxing his ears off but chose to engage for the crowd. Not only is JMM a master at what he does, he understands that boxing is also entertainment and made it a very exciting fight.

              Marquez is one of the greatest to ever come of out Mexico and that's saying a lot for a country with the history of boxing Mexico has. Some have said he's better that Chavez Sr, I don't think so. Chavez Sr was on another level and we may never see another one like that ever. Marquez is great though and is climbing the ranks of the greats from Mexico. His technique is really unmatched in boxing and if you want to learn how to throw combo's, I suggest watching Marquez videos.
              I agree with the posters. You should do this after every important fight.

              Also, what you said about drugs not being able to make you more skilled, I wholeheartedly agree. All this talk in the lead up to the fight focusing on PEDS as if these things are "be all, end all" for boxing and that they automatically determine who wins a fight, is wrong. JMM has always been one of the best COMBINATION counterpunchers for years. That's been evident since his first with Pacquiao, his amazing war with Juan Díaz in their first meeting, the third round with Katsidis where he gets dropped like a sack of potatoes and at the end of the round regains his senses and rips into Katsidis with 8-9 punch combination to both the body and head. PEDS don't do that, years of training do that. You practice for so long and for so many hours that it becomes natural as breathing. Your opponent makes a mistake and you don't even think about how you're going to punish him, you just know when and how.

              Having said that and looking ahead, what do you think of a 5th fight between Pacquiao-Márquez? Do you want to see it again?

              I remember being adamantly against a third fight, because to me, their score was 1 Pacquiao, with 1 even. I kept thinking that if Márquez won the third fight, then we'd be stuck with 1-1-1...an even trilogy. Then they'd have to do it again. Lo and behold, when they announced the 4th fight, I was against it as well, mainly because I thought the fourth fight would taint the trilogy an that it would not be as good as the previous 3. Remember Márquez-Vásquez 4 and its anti-climactic ending?

              And I was wrong again. I did not think that two fighters could produce great fights EVERY SINGLE TIME, and they did. It was probably the best fight out of all of them and it would've been even better had it gone on longer. At this point, I honestly wouldn't mind a fifth fight. Considering how both fighters have never flaked out in their careers, the legion of fans that will pack the arena, the power-punching styles they possess, a fifth fight would most likely be greater, if not just as great, as any of the previous 4 wars.

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              • TriggerItch
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                Why would you have to throw Mosley and Pac and a whole other guys in there if you suspect marquez? Marquez is on a whole other level.

                Pacquiao is 35 and doesn't have abs anymore and Mosley has been shot for awhile now, even with Mayweather you can say he's lost his legs.

                What has Marquez lost? he is 2 months shy of 41 and what has he lost that he had in his prime? he can still go to war, arguably more power than ever, no stamina issues, can bounce around for 12 rd's, all coincidentally after joining a guy who's motto is "peak performances without doping is a fairytale" while displaying a new body that alone had people su****ious.

                You can't compare Marquez to anyone else, he's dishing out as much evidence that's possible without actually being caught and i dont think you can do it with any other fighter atm, although we can all suspect any and everyone.

                Good Breakdown though.
                Last edited by TriggerItch; 05-19-2014, 09:04 AM.

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                • TintaBoricua
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                  Originally posted by TriGaFinGa
                  Why would you have to throw Mosley and Pac and a whole other guys in there if you suspect marquez? Marquez is on a whole other level.

                  Pacquiao is 35 and doesn't have abs anymore and Mosley has been shot for awhile now, even with Mayweather you can say he's lost his legs.

                  What has Marquez lost? he is 2 months shy of 41 and what has he lost that he had in his prime? he can still go to war, arguably more power than ever, no stamina issues, can bounce around for 12 rd's, all coincidentally after joining a guy who's motto is "peak performances without doping is a fairytale" while displaying a new body that alone had people su****ious.

                  You can't compare Marquez to anyone else, he's dishing out as much evidence that's possible without actually being caught and i dont think you can do it with any other fighter atm, although we can all suspect any and everyone.

                  Good Breakdown though.
                  1. Márquez was a much faster puncher in his featherweight days. So there you go, it's not like he's maintained every single aspect in his arsenal intact.

                  2. He's never had stamina issues. Look at fighters like Alvarado, Mosley, Cotto, Mayorga, Fernando Vargas, Jeff Lacy...these fighters have shown fading. Márquez has always been a threat late in the fight.

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                  • Bigg Rigg
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                    Good stuff! I think JMM is roiding though. I'm sorry just my opinion. I also can't listen to Roy commentate. And Max is a dweeb.

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