Joe Calzaghe: Overrated or underrated?

[TheRebelSin]

To me his best wins where Jeff lacy and a undefeated Kessler which was a great fight. Him beating Roy and Hopkins was't to impressive and ending ur career after them to wins in my eyes wast good enough he should of stayed at less try making 50 and 0 or at less fought 2 more top elite fighters. But he's is good champion wouldn't say great tho.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

Top 50 is "one of the best"?

He might be Top 50 from the last 30 years. Possibly, not really thought about it but he would be nearer the bottom of that list if he were to be on it.

So I don't see how that's "one of the best".

Considering boxing as a true organized sport worldwide has been around about 120 years, and you took the top 50 every 30 years, you would have 200 fighters.. If you were doing a top 200 list, calzaghe would be in consideration, lower on the list...


Top fifty over the past 30 years is an awesome accomplishment, your just hating on calzaghe.,, you do realize a generation is only 25 years, so joe is top 50-longer than a generation, and your really trying to discredit it, like it's not a great feat...
Trust me, if you were a fighter or trainer, you would love to have recognition like that..

[Suckmedry]

From memory I remember thinking that the Hopkins fight could have been called fairly as a draw.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

From memory I remember thinking that the Hopkins fight could have been called fairly as a draw.

If you score it 6-6 then Hopkins should win bc of the kd

[Box-Office]

On one side of the world, you have people saying Calzaghe ducked RJJ, Toney and B-Hop in their primes but on the other side, it's that Calzaghe never got a chance to fight them because of negotiations falling apart & whatnot. Is Slappy Joe's 46-0 record justified or padded?


Discuss accordingly.


P.S.: He ended up fighting RJJ and Hopkins at the end of his career (as well as dismantling Jeff Lacy & beating Mikkel Kessler), but take that as you will.

You forgot Glen Johnson.

[mathed]

How can you say "I'm not going to accept Lacy was a hype job" followed by "he was supposed to he a Tyson clone"

That confirms he was a hype job and he's probably the biggest hype job the sport has ever seen.

Hopkins never fought at Super MW. He has no "reign" there.

And Calzaghes "reign" consists of 2 fighters ranked in the Top 5 at the weight. Impressive!!!

Edged by a passed prime Hopkins. Suppose that's decent. He did what Jermain Taylor did but worse. Awesome.

Heading into that fight, the common perception was that Calzaghe would get smoked, not that Lacy wasn't any good or was overrated. This perception of Lacy and his subsequent downfall only occurred after the Calzaghe loss.

I meant that Calzaghe's SMW title defense record matched or slightly exceeded BHOP's title defense record at MW. 20 or so defenses if pretty dam impressive, I don't care who you are.

[IronDanHamza]

Heading into that fight, the common perception was that Calzaghe would get smoked, not that Lacy wasn't any good or was overrated. This perception of Lacy and his subsequent downfall only occurred after the Calzaghe loss.

I meant that Calzaghe's SMW title defense record matched or slightly exceeded BHOP's title defense record at MW. 20 or so defenses if pretty dam impressive, I don't care who you are.

Right hence the fact he's one of the biggest hype jobs in history

You don't care who you are? So Sven Ottke is great aswell? He has the same amount of title defenses as Calzaghe.

[IronDanHamza]

Considering boxing as a true organized sport worldwide has been around about 120 years, and you took the top 50 every 30 years, you would have 200 fighters.. If you were doing a top 200 list, calzaghe would be in consideration, lower on the list...


Top fifty over the past 30 years is an awesome accomplishment, your just hating on calzaghe.,, you do realize a generation is only 25 years, so joe is top 50-longer than a generation, and your really trying to discredit it, like it's not a great feat...
Trust me, if you were a fighter or trainer, you would love to have recognition like that..

Top 50 over the last 30 years is not that awesome.

It's not "one of the best" either.

That's if he's even in the Top 50 of the last 30 years which is debatable.

[IronDanHamza]

Why were the standards not the same for Jones/Hopkins to fly to his part of the world to fight? Why does everyone have to come to the US? Boxing is a worldwide sport. Takes the meaning out of "world champion" don't it?

I was just responding to his point about why Cazlaghe didn't travel.

I don't really care about traveling and what not.

[paulf]

Overrated or underrated?

Both.