Manny & Pac was both ****!

[Redd Foxx]

I remember when Dan posted intelligent comments, back before he got caught up in the NSB full timer club. The guys that think that if they repeat themselves enough that it adds validity to their failed predictions and misdirected enthusiasm.

Enough wishful thinking. Cut your losses and get some credibility back.

[bojangles1987]

I don't think either guy looked good either. Bradley fought as bad as I can remember in a while, and Pac looked pretty far gone. I'm sorry if that upsets people but it's the truth.

Pac from 2012 would have slaughtered Tim Bradley the way Bradley fought on Saturday, let alone Pac from 2007-2009.

[KillerRightHook]

Pacquaio looked very tentative in the first few rounds, somewhat sluggish to an extent and was knocked off balance in the 4th. Bradley showed some good power when knocking Pac off balance, but I think he got too caught up in trying to hurt Manny, loading up more leverage on his shots, hence the reason he began losing steam in the later rounds and being caught more often than not. Pacquiao looked very good in the second half of the fight, but he has clearly lost a few steps. He fights more economically, and pulls a lot of his shots in order to prevent being caught overreaching. His speed was very impressive in spots, but his punch resistance does worry me, a big puncher I believe would've floored him that night with such a leaky defence, although I believe this was due to him sitting down on his punches more knowing that Bradley lacked the power to really trouble him.

With regards to Dan's post, Pacquaio's accuracy was not bad at all, with a guy that moves constantly, it's not easy to have a successful rate of landing. I think you are discrediting Bradley here, he looked very good in spots, but ultimately, he was outclassed when Pacquaio got going in the middle rounds, where by that point, Bradley has a very slim advantage on the scorecards. I think Bradley got into Pacquiao's head with that 'You no longer have that killer instinct' line (reminiscent of the early rounds of Groves-Froch 1), which could perhaps explain why Pacquaio was so tentative with his work in the early going, which allowed Bradley to set his feet, put more leverage into his punches and land with relative ease.

Describing Bradley as having "No real boxing ability" is a little too far, he was a top 5 P4P in anybody's book before the Pacquiao fight; his handspeed is very good, he can hurt you despite what his record suggests, his movement/slipping of punches is impressive (when he doesn't showboat!), he made Pacquaio and Marquez miss a large proportion of their punches.

"I don't care who this guy has beaten, Bradley is not an elite fighter." This argument is particularly baffles me, you discount his resume, which consists of several quality wins which clearly opposes your stance; JMM, Provodnikov, Alexander, Peterson, Abregu, Holt etc. I don't know how you can say Bradley has no real boxing skills, and not elite, because the calibre of opposition he has faced and beaten is very impressive. But this depends on your definition of 'elite'.

"You'll never see Rigo or Floyd hit twice nevermind 5-7 times in the space of 10 seconds", this is true, but you bring up two fighters who very rarely press the action and wait for an opponent to overcommit, hence the reason some fans (excluding myself find them notoriously boring due to their very defensive nature of fighting). Bradley is much more aggressive in his style of fighting, with a greater punch output which naturally means he will be tagged more often because he leaves himself exposed whilst throwing. Simple logic.

By the way, didn't you pick Bradley to win? Just interested.

[IronDanHamza]

I wasn't impressed by either.

Bradley I wasn't too surprised by his performance.

I don't think Pacquaio's shot though but he's obviously not the force he once was nor close.

[PACnPBFsuck]

Started reading after "Bradley was winning the first half of the fight".

[SthPaw]

I think Manny looked good, he just isn't the same as his streak at his 07-10 peak performances, but that is clearly going t be the case I dont understand why some people are so shocked that Manny's roll is slowing. BUT, he still looked good.

I wish people would stop throwing the word 'shot' around, he is far from shot, but he is most definitely on his way out. 'Shot' and 'washed up' etc, are different concepts to 'not peak'. Granted, with a lot of boxers the line of separation is a fine and delicate balance, but in Manny's case, he's got a few nights left in him before he looks starts to look 'shot'.

Ali vs Frazier III was Ali 'past prime but still great', Ali vs Holmes was Ali 'shot' and a 'shell'...Different yet simple concepts that I wish some fans understood.

Pacquiao has a small handful of 'past prime but still great' nights left...If he is still fighting in a few years and looks like utter shlt then yeah, say he's shot then.

[Mike D]

I think Manny looked good, he just isn't the same as his streak at his 07-10 peak performances, but that is clearly going t be the case I dont understand why some people are so shocked that Manny's roll is slowing. BUT, he still looked good.

I wish people would stop throwing the word 'shot' around, he is far from shot, but he is most definitely on his way out. 'Shot' and 'washed up' etc, are different concepts to 'not peak'. Granted, with a lot of boxers the line of separation is a fine and delicate balance, but in Manny's case, he's got a few nights left in him before he looks starts to look 'shot'.

Ali vs Frazier III was Ali 'past prime but still great', Ali vs Holmes was Ali 'shot' and a 'shell'...Different yet simple concepts that I wish some fans understood.

Pacquiao has a small handful of 'past prime but still great' nights left...If he is still fighting in a few years and looks like utter shlt then yeah, say he's shot then.

Green k coming. Damn, somebody with logic & common sense? No f**king way.

[SthPaw]

Green k coming. Damn, somebody with logic & common sense? No f**king way.

Haha, thanks man. Blows my mind how a fighter that is, admittedly, evidently not at the peak he once was BUT is still performing at a P4P level can be labelled shot. It's called being on the inevitable downside of a very very high peak, I just wish people could see that!

[Cuban Linx]

Wow, an entire post filled with Ad hominem attacks...

If these guys aren't considered elite, then how many elite fighters are there?

Are Rigo and Floyd the only two elite fighters out there? Cause there are not many that are better than Manny and Tim. If we're talking about eras, then yea I agree this is not a strong era compared to the past. But that doesn't mean they aren't elite.

I don't think either fighter performed to their potential. I thought Pacquiao showed his age at times, I thought Bradley relied too much on straight right counters. But these two fighters are hard to look really good against. So of course there were a lot of missed punches throughout the fight.

[johnm is...]

99% of fighters would wish to be so "shot".