Had Calzaghe not ducked America

[robertzimmerman]

All this "B-hop wanted more money" is gobbledygook.

When Roy Jones and Hopkins negotiated to fight each other, someone wanting more money is a story. They're on an even playing field and Hopkins probably should've taken the 60/40 considering that no matter how much he redeemed himself by unifying the 160 division, RJJ still had a win over him and was a Undisputed Light-heavyweight Champ himself. 60/40 was fair and Hopkins was to blame for the fight not happening.


As far as Hopkins Vs Joe, Hopkins vs RJJ - It's all on Joe and his lack of urgency. The fact that I don't remember him aggressively calling out Hopkins or Jones during his post-fight interviews on showtime (and I've seen plenty of Joe fights against B-level WBO appointed Mandatories) tells you everything. He was being as passive aggressive towards Hopkins/Jones as Pacquiao is towards Mayweather, even though he wasn't nearly of the status that Manny was prior to the two losses.

Joe fought Will McIntyre on the undercard of Tyson - Neilson in 2001, in Denmark.

In his post fight interview, he said "I'd like to be fighting the likes of Bernard Hopkins and Roy Jones."

But what happened afterwards?

He remained at 168 in Britain, and fought Brewer, Jiminez and Pudwell (who was a replacement for Thomas Tate)

Those fights were never going to land him a shot at Roy.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

Joe fought Will McIntyre on the undercard of Tyson - Neilson in 2001, in Denmark.

In his post fight interview, he said "I'd like to be fighting the likes of Bernard Hopkins and Roy Jones."

But what happened afterwards?

He remained at 168 in Britain, and fought Brewer, Jiminez and Pudwell (who was a replacement for Thomas Tate)

Those fights were never going to land him a shot at Roy.

Did you see who Roy was fighting around that time? Come on now. Neither of them went out of their way to make the fight happen. They were both doing their own thing.

Calzaghe vs Hopkins was a viable fight and they were in serious negotiations until Bernard walked away.

[Box Up!]

No if you actually engaged your brain and listened, you'd hear him say that Roy Jones mentioned him and said he wanted to come down to Super Middle. Those were Jones' words, not Calzaghe's.

Sometimes Mr Diggler i think you're the only person on this forum who actually talks any reasonable sense.

[robertzimmerman]

There was a time when Bhop was playing serious hardball with the networks, there's a reason why he came out to that Sinatra song. It's probably a lot more complicated than you're making it sound. I vaguely remember showtime carrying a fight of Joe's when he was prime and there was discussions of that fight. It seemed there was an attempt to build up a big fight involving calzaghe

There is a lot more to it.

A fight with Joe was supposed to be part of a three fight deal I believe.

But Bernard apparently wanted a lot more money, after he'd found out that King was going to take a bigger cut, then he first realised.

As I saw it, he didn't duck Joe personally, he pulled out of the three fight deal.

It'd be worth looking into again.

[Bigg Rigg]

How is Calzaghe doing health wise??? Anybody know??? Last I heard of him he was sniffing grams of coke left and right???

[robertzimmerman]

Two years isn't a lot.

You always say Lennox was old and faded when at age 37 he fought Vitali.

It was more than three years, and Roy had been destroyed four years earlier.

[Vasyl’s dad]

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Originally Posted by Cupo303

All this "B-hop wanted more money" is gobbledy****.

When Roy Jones and Hopkins negotiated to fight each other, someone wanting more money is a story. They're on an even playing field and Hopkins probably should've taken the 60/40 considering that no matter how much he redeemed himself by unifying the 160 division, RJJ still had a win over him and was a Undisputed Light-heavyweight Champ himself. 60/40 was fair and Hopkins was to blame for the fight not happening.


As far as Hopkins Vs Joe, Hopkins vs RJJ - It's all on Joe and his lack of urgency. The fact that I don't remember him aggressively calling out Hopkins or Jones during his post-fight interviews on showtime (and I've seen plenty of Joe fights against B-level WBO appointed Mandatories) tells you everything. He was being as passive aggressive towards Hopkins/Jones as Pacquiao is towards Mayweather, even though he wasn't nearly of the status that Manny was prior to the two losses.

Joe fought Will McIntyre on the undercard of Tyson - Neilson in 2001, in Denmark.

In his post fight interview, he said "I'd like to be fighting the likes of Bernard Hopkins and Roy Jones."

But what happened afterwards?

He remained at 168 in Britain, and fought Brewer, Jiminez and Pudwell (who was a replacement for Thomas Tate)

Those fights were never going to land him a shot at Roy.

"World" champs Hops and Roy could have fought in other parts of the world too you know? america isn't the world and never will be.


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[Vasyl’s dad]

How is Calzaghe doing health wise??? Anybody know??? Last I heard of him he was sniffing grams of coke left and right???

Still undefeated. he got hiz 0 doe.


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[Vasyl’s dad]

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Two years isn't a lot.

You always say Lennox was old and faded when at age 37 he fought Vitali.

It was more than three years, and Roy had been destroyed four years earlier.

How many years earlier was Ruiz destroyed when Roy fought him?


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[robertzimmerman]

When Jones was in his prime, Calzaghe said on multiple occasions that he didn't want to fight him. Then when Jones started getting beat, Calzaghe wrote that he was washed up and not worth fighting.

He did say that. The Setanta Sports interview from 2008, is still on YouTube.