Had Calzaghe not ducked America

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  • freethinkersam
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    Had Calzaghe not ducked America

    Unlike Joe Calzaghe, when Ricky Hatton reached the pinnacle of his career, he called out the No. 1 pound-for-pound champion who was in a weight division above, moved up in weight & took on a career defining fight against the very best in Mayweather. He also had the courage to take on a vicious looking Pacquiao.

    Sure he lost, but as was once said 'in great attempts it is glorious even to fail'.

    Calzaghe claimed the vacant title in 1997. It took him NINE years to unify the titles with fights against Lacy & Kessler. The gap speaks for itself. And really, wasn't 168 an ultra weak division anyway?? My point: Roy Jones Jr was available to fight at 175 from the point Calzaghe claimed the WBO strap at 168 in 1997, to the point he was knocked out in 02 by Tarver. Instead of Calzaghe calling Roy Jones Jr out for a superfight at 175, he was interviewed in those years and openly admitted that he did not want to RISK that fight.

    I'm of the opinion that if Calzaghe had entered the grand American stage during his plastic reign, he would've tasted defeat like his compatriots in Khan & Hatton. Calzaghe ducked the big fights:

    He wanted nothing to do with a prime Jones Jr. There's open transcripts of him admitting that he basically ducked the fight altogether. Then he would only fight Hopkins at 43, and even then he sc****d just a SD with his dad telling him he had lost the fight. If you look at their reactions to the decision, I think it's clear that they knew in many ways it was a gift. A prime Hopkins repeats what he did to Calzaghe in round 1 for the full 12.

    It goes on. In the words of Jim Lampley, 'Calzaghe BLATANTLY ducked Glen Johnson'.

    He wanted nothing to do with Taylor. Ducked Pavlik to fight a shell of Jones. How about the Tarver negotiations? Ended with NOTHING. Winky Wright negotiations? Ended with NOTHING.

    So he retires undefeated.

    So did Sven Ottke.

    Just sayin'.
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    #2
    Hopkins nor Roy were jumping to fight him either to be fair

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    • SlySlickSmooth
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      #3
      This thread isn't going to end well.

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        Hopkins won. Two judges were too blind to score it correctly. Stevie wonder knew Bernard hopkins one the fight.

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        • Dirk Diggler UK
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          #5
          Originally posted by freethinkersam
          Unlike Joe Calzaghe, when Ricky Hatton reached the pinnacle of his career, he called out the No. 1 pound-for-pound champion who was in a weight division above, moved up in weight & took on a career defining fight against the very best in Mayweather. He also had the courage to take on a vicious looking Pacquiao.

          Sure he lost, but as was once said 'in great attempts it is glorious even to fail'.

          Calzaghe claimed the vacant title in 1997. It took him NINE years to unify the titles with fights against Lacy & Kessler. The gap speaks for itself. And really, wasn't 168 an ultra weak division anyway?? My point: Roy Jones Jr was available to fight at 175 from the point Calzaghe claimed the WBO strap at 168 in 1997, to the point he was knocked out in 02 by Tarver. Instead of Calzaghe calling Roy Jones Jr out for a superfight at 175, he was interviewed in those years and openly admitted that he did not want to RISK that fight.


          Ricky Hatton had a much bigger following than Calzaghe and it wasn't until he beat Kostya Tszyu in what must have been his 40th fight that he became relevant and a viable opponent to Mayweather.

          Calzaghe took so long to unify because Sven Ottke was the other champion and only an idiot would go to Germany to fight him. He didn't become a name until he beat Jeff Lacy.

          The only time Calzaghe-Jones was even talked about was around the time of the above video. Jones wanted to either move up to Heavyweight or go down to Super Middleweight to face Calzaghe. I remember he mentioned Joe after beating Clinton Woods. He chose to go to Heavyweight instead.

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          • cupocity303
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            #6
            Originally posted by Dirk Diggler UK

            So he wanted the 3-division champ and P4P best in the world to come down to his weight class to take his "WBO 168 Title".

            Hilarious. This video just made it worse for Joe.

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              Originally posted by Cupo303
              So he wanted the 3-division champ and P4P best in the world to come down to his weight class to take his "WBO 168 Title".

              Hilarious. This video just made it worse for Joe.
              No if you actually engaged your brain and listened, you'd hear him say that Roy Jones mentioned him and said he wanted to come down to Super Middle. Those were Jones' words, not Calzaghe's.

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                Originally posted by Cupo303
                So he wanted the 3-division champ and P4P best in the world to come down to his weight class to take his "WBO 168 Title".

                Hilarious. This video just made it worse for Joe.


                ownage.

                As for the thread in question, Joe needed to come to america, america didnt need to come to joe.

                You make your name in america because everybody goes to america to seek fame and fortune when it comes to boxing.

                Roberto Duran came to america.
                Julio Cesar Chavez Sr. came to america
                Manny Pacquiao came to america
                Lennox Lewis came to america
                hell even the k brothers went to america.

                Joe only came to america when the two guys in question were in their 40s. Those two 40 year olds subsequently dropped this overrated slap master.

                Imagine what would have happened if they fought in their primes?

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                • cupocity303
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Dirk Diggler UK
                  No if you actually engaged your brain and listened, you'd hear him say that Roy Jones mentioned him and said he wanted to come down to Super Middle. Those were Jones' words, not Calzaghe's.
                  He-said/She-said.

                  He didn't show any urgency to fight the "P4P Best and 3-division champion", otherwise he would've said, "No that's ok. I want to be Light-Heavyweight Champion and beat 'The Man' at his own weight".

                  This video is nothing more then: "Oh look, he did mention Roy Jones once in some obscure Tv show. Therefore proof that Joe did not duck prime RJJ. Maybe if I spin it just right, this video is proof that RJJ ducked Joe "

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                  • Ragnar Lothbrok
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Cupo303
                    He-said/She-said.

                    He didn't show any urgency to fight the "P4P Best and 3-division champion", otherwise he would've said, "No that's ok. I want to be Light-Heavyweight Champion and beat 'The Man' at his own weight".

                    This video is nothing more then: "Oh look, he did mention Roy Jones once in some obscure Tv show. Therefore proof that Joe did not duck prime RJJ. Maybe if I spin it just right, this video is proof that RJJ ducked Joe "

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