Nonbiased accurate look at Floyd's resume.

[MurkaMan]

Perhaps you are right about me confusing myself. There's so many trolls and I may have unfairly lumped you in with them. I completely agree with your statement about adjustment. It's one of the things that I love about him and is a thing of pure beauty. Watching Mayweather take the fight to Canelo was just wonderful for me even though I was pulling for Canelo. It's hard not to love such a display of dominance. I thought Mayweather would win, but not in the fashion he did.

Also like I said in my first post there's a lot of fights I wish Floyd had on his resume, but I don't consider them ducks by any means. It bothers me because as a fan I wish I could point to those victories because I don't like to use hypotheticals to prove his greatness. I also don't hate him for taking the big money fights, he's smart and I would probably do the same, but I do hate how some poster claim that the prize in prize fighting is all that matters in terms of status amongst the greats. It's similar to how Pacquiao fans point to all his belts, and without going into that, I'll just say David Diaz. Sorry but when I see posters start talking about money my troll-o-meter goes off whether or not it should.

Finally if you talk about looking at his resume and how great he is, I don't see then how you can't compare it to others. I'm willing to talk about his skills all day long and how great they are, but he doesn't have a Duran or Hearns on his record. And call me crazy but I don't see how he beats Hearns, because like I said earlier, styles make fights.

I'd also like to add I appreciate how you've actually written out an actual response and not just a one line bashing. Whether or not we agree an actual conversation is what I hope for on these forums. I probably missed some of your points but it's late and I've been drinking. I just wanted to respond since you took the time to do the same.

I feel that Floyd has consistantly done so many amazing things, that I dont need a Duran type of fighter to look at as proof to anything. Could Duran himself, fight Floyd's opponents and do to them what Floyd did? Maybe he'd win, or even stop some of them. But could he make it seem as if they were fighting a "Now you see me, now you dont" hollogram? No fighter in history could do that. Once you admit that, its really nothing else to talk about. My point is that he has already done what no fighter in history could do. And lets remember, the other ATG's were washed up at 30 doing dope. Floyd is born for this, and ONLY this. He will be in his prime forever and ever.

As far as Herns is concerned, I dont think height and a jab is enough to beat Floyd. Im not comparing Herns to Tony Pep at all, but we see how Floyd overwhelms tall slow guys like Herns. Herns is a good fighter but a dumb guy who would look flatfooted and slow. Floyd would move his feet so many times in the amount of time it would take Herns to lunch off of his foot. He would be in front of him swarming him with hooks all around. Herns has to lock his knees in order to throw a right hand. Floyd throws his shiet at any given moment.

[junior gong]

I feel that Floyd has consistantly done so many amazing things, that I dont need a Duran type of fighter to look at as proof to anything. Could Duran himself, fight Floyd's opponents and do to them what Floyd did? Maybe he'd win, or even stop some of them. But could he make it seem as if they were fighting a "Now you see me, now you dont" hollogram? No fighter in history could do that. Once you admit that, its really nothing else to talk about. My point is that he has already done what no fighter in history could do. And lets remember, the other ATG's were washed up at 30 doing dope. Floyd is born for this, and ONLY this. He will be in his prime forever and ever.

As far as Herns is concerned, I dont think height and a jab is enough to beat Floyd. Im not comparing Herns to Tony Pep at all, but we see how Floyd overwhelms tall slow guys like Herns. Herns is a good fighter but a dumb guy who would look flatfooted and slow. Floyd would move his feet so many times in the amount of time it would take Herns to lunch off of his foot. He would be in front of him swarming him with hooks all around. Herns has to lock his knees in order to throw a right hand. Floyd throws his shiet at any given moment.

Pass the sick bucket.

[Fooliun_Smaxon]

First thing I want to say is that Im not a f.lomo. I used to ride for Floyd and truly felt that Pac was ducking him until he demanded 100% of the revenue. After the Cotto fight, this fool said, 'Take The test' in front of millions of people when everyone knew that at that point the money, and not the test, was the issue.

However, I have grown to let that slide from the Ghost fight to the Canelo fight.

The way he beat them made me feel that ducking Pacman wont blind me, or anyone from all of these masterful performances. There is NO FIGHTER IN HISTORY that can take his resume, and make the adjustments needed in order to dominate them all without being grazed. What are you going to say? 'Der they would knock them out in one round'?

Well take their power away, could they make poetry out of these opponents like Floyd does? No fighter in history could do it, and based off of skills alone I think Flolyd may be the greatest most skilled fighter in the history of professional pugilism.

As far as him ducking, I only give him credit for ducking Pacman. One fighter.

He structured his career to get two money fights with Oscar and Gatti. He went directly to Oscar and Gatti, and people who hate him accused him of ducking ten or twenty fighters who were in between. Not cool at all. He retired after Oscar NOT to duck a bunch of easy fights, but because he felt that after fighting Oscar he had got everything he set out to get. Around that time he said he didnt even love boxing anymore. I think his best wins are JMM, Ortiz who was 164lbs and 24 yrs old, Mosley who at that time was coming off a great win, Ghost who he changed his entire style in order to beat, and Canelo who I felt was too big for him. It was a bonus fight, and he walked that giant down. Cotto was shot when Floyd fought him. He was destroyed by Pac and Margarita, and was coming off an unimpressive victory over a shot Margarita. Oscar was old and he was a money fight to me.

I remember when Ortiz beat Berto, he was number 2 at ww and was the best, strongest, most prime guy out there. Jim Lampley said no one at ww would fight him. Then when Floyd chose him, he said that Floyd was fighting him because he didnt throw any jabs at Berto, as if a jab is going to run Floyd away.

Floyd has BLATANTLY fought the absolute BEST at Golden boy at the time he fought them. But detractors pretend to ignore that and instead OVERexaggerrate about him picking them for a reason. When in actuallity, those opinions didnt matter. Because they were the BEST at the company at the time he fought them.



I feel that most people dont even know boxing, and dont base their fight predictions on any fight math. Instead base their predictions on hype; "Floyd is going to win because he's Floyd" "Ghost is going to lose because he's goofy, lame, and no one like that would beat Floyd"

Most people thought he would be shoulder rolling and countering Ghost on the inside. I knew it would be impossible, because Ghost is not the brawler you all marked him off as. He's a tall tactical pressure swarmer. His punches are long and too close together. Floyd clinched BOTH his arms on the inside 100% of the time they got close. He did that to take away the very thing I thought would cause Floyd problems. Floyd normally shoulder rolls on the inside, and I didnt know that he was smart enough to realize Ghosts inside game was a problem. Not only that, but Floyd used footwork to neutralize his height and longness. I didnt know he still had footwork. I didnt see ANY boxing writers, or any posters talk about those small adjustments he made. Because he has NEVER fought like that his entire career. After the fight, pretend-fans claimed, 'I knew it would play out like this. I knew Floyd would win'

The Ghost fight was boring as hell. Floyd threw two slow right hands a round and ran around the ring. But it impressed me how he changed his entire style to compensate for Ghost's awkwardness. He fights all of these different fighters and styles, and completely changes his style in order to dominate them all without being grazed. No fighter in history could do this. NONE.

Floyd is the only fighter in history that is truly BORN to box. SRL started boxing at 16 as a hobby and ended up being good at it. While Floyd was born into a boxing family and could naturally run 3 to 4 miles at the age of SEVEN.

SRL was washed up at 30 and lacked discipline and was a dopehead. Floyd is the only fighter in history to be in his prime at 37, and is programmed to be BEYOND discipline. I have never seen a fighter with this type of work ethic. Without boxing SRL is alright. Without boxing Floyd is doomed. Floyd is only built to box. He's not even built to function in the real world without it.

You had fighters like ALI who was washed up at 37 and losing to Spinks who only had seven fights.

I dont care if he ducked Pacman or not, thats not going to blind me from all this other stuff. Skills, dedication, versitility etc.

I guarantee you this, Floyd will be fighting in his PRIME at the age of 40 and older. When he retires he will have nothing to live for. Then he will just keep returning to the sport. No trolls please, I just want thoughts from nonbiased people only. Because when you start being HONEST About Floyd you may end up saying something you dont want to say; That he is the most SKILLED fighter in the HISTORY of fighting, in ALL.

What is this shlt? Why did he retire then? I'll tell you why:

Because welterweight in 2007 was PERCOLATING! Williams, Margarito, Cotto and Manny all in their primes. Floyd is a pos. 90% of boxing fans realise it.

[The Noose]

Its funny you say that about JMM considering the fact that Floyd made him look just like the others. Its one of his greatest wins. Even if JMM was washed up after that fight, what fighter in history could do that to JMM? None.

I dont care about Ortiz getting hit by right hands. He got hit by hooks, rights, jabs. You name it, Floyd landed it. Based off the Mosley fight, Ortiz was a great opponent. Because Shane was Old remember? But Ortiz was bigger, younger, faster, more aggressive. Before that fight Lampley said no one would fight him. Then after Floyd chose him, Lampley said Floyd only fought him because he doesnt throw jabs. The FACTS are, Ortiz was the absolute best, strongest, youngest fighter at golden boy at that time and was number 2 at ww. If Floyd didnt fight that him, it would be a duck. Its one of Floyd's best wins.

You say Floyd is a great counterpuncher. No, he is great at everything. No fighter in history is this good. Your comment is basically you finding away to avoid admitting it.

You say in YOUR opinion he hasnt fought anyone who was a real threat. Well if you admitted that they all were real threats, you may be saying something about Floyd that you dont want to admit. That he is the most skilled fighter in history.

Would these fighters get humiliated by SRL? No, they would land anything on him. Floyd is the only one who could do what he does.

I dont care about Canelo being a pressure fighter. Floyd stood in the pocket and made the fight easier for Canelo. My point is, Canelo is WAAY stronger than Herns and SRL skinny azzes. Floyd would walk through them and batter them. It doesnt matter if your a pressure fighter or not. Ortiz is a pressure fighter and Floyd walked him down and made him look the SAME as Canelo. No matter what style you have, Floyd will make you look foolish. And it has nothing to do with pressure. Its Floyd's conditioning. He can move his entire body in the amount of time it takes you to throw 4 fast punches. He can roll his entire body, he can leap to the front row, take a sip of my soda, and jump in the ring to get you with a counter before you stop throwing.

You wanna talk about SRL? Isnt he the biggest cherrypicker in the history of the sport? Didnt want to fight Hagler until he was old. He only fought Duran because he was a lw, and knew he would beat him easy. He stood flatfooted to make the fight a challenge for himself and lost because he's mentally weak. He didnt want to fight Herns until he felt he saw something. In the rematch with Duran he openly admitted that he knew Duran would gain weight.

Floyd wouldnt have to do any of that stuff against fighters of that caliber. Because if SRL could beat them with the skillset he had, imagine how bad Floyd would beat them. SRL is overrated to me. But no one speaks about his cherrypicking. Floyd blatantly fought everyone at golden boy, when they were at their best coming off wins. You all just LIED and acted like he fought them because of this or that. SRL has openly admitted to cherrypicking. His whole resume was calculated tbh.

I dont have any question marks on Floyd. I have seen him do some stuff no other fighter in history could do. Were was SRL, Herns, Ali at the age of 37? Washed up, doing drugs, and losing to Spinks who had 7 fights? Oh but if we're too honest, we may be saying something about Floyd that we dont want to say huh?

That is some of the most biased deluded **** ive ever read here.

[MRBOOMER]

The guy who picked boxing up as hobby and who was a dope has a gold medal and two ATG on his resume one in his prime and one slighty past it while being slighty past it him self. Not to mention the other hof or top contenders he fought. But the guy who was born too do it doesn't. What does that say about him then? I'm not even gonna get into the **** you said about Ali washed up by 37? The man was already showing signs of Parkinson's before the Spinks fight.

just when I thought I've read all the bull**** on here I could find, you sir just blew all that **** out the water your worse then that tomo1 guy. Ban this ****ing guy plz

Floyd's a great fighter no doubt but his **** is so far up your ass it's ****ing with your eyes obviously because you can't see straight.

[MurkaMan]

What is this shlt? Why did he retire then? I'll tell you why:

Because welterweight in 2007 was PERCOLATING! Williams, Margarito, Cotto and Manny all in their primes. Floyd is a pos. 90% of boxing fans realise it.

WRONG. All of that was pure speculation. Floyd was washed up in his last two fights against Oscar and Hatton. He spent his whole career chasing Oscar and Gatti and around the time he got the fight with Oscar he even said that he didnt love the sport anymore. He retired because he felt that after getting those two fights he had accomplished everything. He didnt even realize his resume was weak until he sat back hearing the criticism. Thats why the Floyd of today is so fking sharp in comparison to the old skinny Floyd who fought back then.

[MurkaMan]

That is some of the most biased deluded **** ive ever read here.

No its not. Your just mad because I dont let any of you morons get away with the fckery. Someone go and get Bushbaby and tell him to bring his azz to the ring.

[MurkaMan]

The guy who picked boxing up as hobby and who was a dope has a gold medal and two ATG on his resume one in his prime and one slighty past it while being slighty past it him self. Not to mention the other hof or top contenders he fought. But the guy who was born too do it doesn't. What does that say about him then? I'm not even gonna get into the **** you said about Ali washed up by 37? The man was already showing signs of Parkinson's before the Spinks fight.

just when I thought I've read all the bull**** on here I could find, you sir just blew all that **** out the water your worse then that tomo1 guy. Ban this ****ing guy plz

Floyd's a great fighter no doubt but his **** is so far up your ass it's ****ing with your eyes obviously because you can't see straight.

He has a gold medal, and has a few legends on his resume, but is he as good as Floyd? Can he make Floyd's opponents look like clumsy idiots? Nope, no fighter in history can.

If Ali was showing signs of Parkinsons at 37 then why isnt Floyd? He is 37 right now. Oh because Floyd had enough skills to not get his azz whipped like Ali?

You better go and read my comments. Im the only one here that is not biased. I been procrastinating on making this thread because I knew I would have to type a whole lot to make my point. But Im glad I did. None of you can say anything to me. Im right on this one and I just hate the way you all disrespect this dude and his dedication to the sport you claim you love, when no fighter in history has done what he has done. If he got the credit he deserved he would be treated like Mike Jackson. The media helps manipulate casual fans into thinking that he is this good because he is fighting bums. Its such a shame that people dont realize how special this guy is. I have never seen a fighter like him in my life.

[The Noose]

No its not.

Yes it is.

[MurkaMan]

Yes it is.

If thats how you feel your entitled to your opinion. But thats not how you feel. You just hate the fact that Im not here arguing over whether he ducked Pacman or not. I dont have to argue over that dumshiet, I already said he DID duck him. My argument goes beyond that. And its nothing you can do about it.