Comments Thread For: Sergio Martinez: Cotto Fighting Me Because of My Injuries

[thatdudespits]

If Martinez was confident in his ability to win this fight or the Golovin fight or even a Murray rematch, he could have made Cotto wait if the terms were so ****ty. This is a pay day for him. He could have taken another fight and be seen as ducking golovkin or he could have fought golovkin and never get the big pay day.Sergio took what he thought was the easiest route to money. I don't think he's sure he can beat cotto, that's why he won't shut up. fact is he won't be able to move on Cotto like he does to those slow plodding robots he's been fighting. Most of those slow plodding robots have given Sergio trouble in their fights. Cotto may not move as well as Martinez but he moves a hundred times better than Sergios previous opponents. I when Martinez loses his legacy will remain in tact as he has already master crafted his excuse. Don't be surprised if this is Martinez's last fight.

[MrP4P]

Cotto-Martinez is a better fight now than it was before, Martinez's latest performances and his injuries make it more even for the small, flawed Cotto to find more success against him. The fight would not have been fair in 2010-2012.

With that said, it's all about the money. Cotto wanted the fight that would bring him the most money. 60-40 or 70-30, what ever the split was, was gonna get him more money than the Canelo fight. Maybe he got a big split for Martinez, and was getting the lion's share against Canelo but not as big as for Martinez. Also, Canelo has a big name and fanbase so he was not gonna be bullied around in negotiations like Martinez was, with the billing, coming in first despite being champ, etc.

This.

I couldnt have said it better myself.. it truly comes down to simply this. We cant act as if Cotto-Martinez is a dream fight because they mesh well. The fight shouldnt have happened at all and we should just take it for what it is. The fight is much better now than it would have been before with Martinez looking vulernable now which lets Arum sell the fight as Cotto having a chance. I actually think ironically Martinez sounds like a bully pointing this out.. he really really did want to fight manny, Floyd and Cotto 2 years ago when he was in his "prime" and they were 2 divisions below him.

[thatdudespits]

Camacho, Whitaker, De la Hoya, Hopkins, Vargas(brought , up too fast but was champion and had nowhere to go but up) > Cotto's resume.

Old junky version of camacho, Whitaker in one of his last two fights, Hopkins (loss), DLH (Im puerto rican and i cant say trinidad won that fight), fernando vargas (okay, not the most impressive) is not better than having a resume like this...

MALIGNAGGI (UNDEFEATED)
QUINTANA (UNDEFEATED)
JUDAH
CLOTTEY
PACQUIAO
MARGARITO (TWICE)
MOSLEY
MAYWEATHER
TROUT (undefeated)

I could go on.

[ColdBlooded]

Just a question, do you guys count resume as who a fighter has faced or who a fighter has beaten?

[-PANDA-]

You obvs know your stuff, Bud. As do I..

You say him not being ready to jump to 160 is Bull****. Martinez fougth Chavez Sepetember 15th 2012. Cotto fought Trout December 1st? 2012. Alright... MAYBE he was ready at that time. It still makes sense.. He only fought Delvin after fighting Trout.. its not like he went on to continue fighting at 154. By your logic Cotto was considering 160 around the same time Martinez fought Chavez, AFTER the chavez fight Martinez was already injured.. stay with me, so Cotto considering 160 and martinez preparing for the Chavez was all happening at the same time no? which means nomatter what(even IF Cotto was eyeing Martinez) regardless martinez would have been injured after that chavez fight and everyone would have been using the "Oh he wants to fight him NOW that martinez is injured" excuse... sooo?

what the hell are you talking about...YOU said that he's always expressed interest in facing martinez...your words not mine

I'm saying he was considering 160 when an opportunity presented itself for him to win a title at that weight against it's weakest titleholder (N'Jikam), he chose to face trout instead

and for the record: martinez has been calling out pac, floyd and cotto ever since he beat williams in a rematch...so cotto could have fought him pre-injury had he actually had interest in the fight

[MrP4P]

what the hell are you talking about...YOU said that he's always expressed interest in facing martinez...your words not mine

I'm saying he was considering 160 when an opportunity presented itself for him to win a title at that weight against it's weakest titleholder (N'Jikam), he chose to face trout instead

and for the record: martinez has been calling out pac, floyd and cotto ever since he beat williams in a rematch...so cotto could have fought him pre-injury had he actually had interest in the fight

Yes and my point still stands? Cotto has said in interviews in the past that he wouldnt mind facing Martinez at some point. Whether he was serious or not is a different debate but hes said it as did pacquiao and mayweather.

What we were talking about was at what time was cotto actually considering to make that jump to 160. When he felt he was ready.

[-PANDA-]

Or maybe Cotto's career is coming to a close in a couple of fights. Maybe that's why he doesn't fight as much. Makes sense huh? Trinidad wasn't fighting 3 times a year at the end of his career. His last few fights were very far apart. I love Tito but the first time he got KOED he basically retired and fought sporadically. Cotto's got the better resume

not really no...mayweather and pac still fight two times a year (with the exception being last year for pac). about tito, he accomplished a lot more against better competition before his first loss...u're implying cotto has wins over fighters better than an undefeated vargas and dlh? (the latter being controversial but then again the same thing could be said about cotto-clottey)

[MrP4P]

Old junky version of camacho, Whitaker in one of his last two fights, Hopkins (loss), DLH (Im puerto rican and i cant say trinidad won that fight), fernando vargas (okay, not the most impressive) is not better than having a resume like this...

MALIGNAGGI (UNDEFEATED)
QUINTANA (UNDEFEATED)
JUDAH
CLOTTEY
PACQUIAO
MARGARITO (TWICE)
MOSLEY
MAYWEATHER
TROUT (undefeated)

I could go on.

As the poster below stated. Are we only counting wins or just simply fighting that fighter? because thats why I threw Hopkins in there.. you seemed to give the impression that its based off wins in this post and then when on to name fighters Cotto has lost to. anyway...

Im basing it off historical fighters.. names that people will still regonize 10-15 years from now. I give you mayweather, mosley and Pacquiao. Are you saying Tito didnt fight his share of Paulies, Trouts Quintans and Clotteys? Those arent HOFers or historical fighters by any stretch and cant really be used to measure resumes if we're really trying to break it down.

[-PANDA-]

Yes and my point still stands? Cotto has said in interviews in the past that he wouldnt mind facing Martinez at some point. Whether he was serious or not is a different debate but hes said it as did pacquiao and mayweather.

What we were talking about was at what time was cotto actually considering to make that jump to 160. When he felt he was ready.

mentioning martinez in an interview and having a weaker titleholder on a shortlist as two entirely different things = my point. cotto was considering that jump in '10, but not against martinez...

pac and floyd never said they would face martinez...floyd once spat out martinez would have to drop down to 150 but nobody took that comment seriously at the time because floyd didn't do catchweights back then

[MrP4P]

mentioning martinez in an interview and having a weaker titleholder on a shortlist as two entirely different things = my point. cotto was considering that jump in '10, but not against martinez...

pac and floyd never said they would face martinez...floyd once spat out martinez would have to drop down to 150 but nobody took that comment seriously at the time because floyd didn't do catchweights back then

You said Cotto was considering it before Trout fight(You said it) Trout fight was in 2012 not 2010.

PACQUIAO said he would fight if Martinez came down to 150* not Mayweather. Mayweather actually said it would be an honor to fight for the Middleweight championship but never mentioned anything about weight and noone believed him anyway. My point was that Cotto expressed interest and whether or not you believe that from an interview is a whole different debate as I said before.