Ariza - Manny chose to not accept Floyd offer

[JTfloyd]

He ducked Floyd for Clottey. Thats a fact.

Don't worry, the P'tards on here will have plenty of excuses why Clottey was an acceptable substitute. And why Floyd beating Mosley a few months later wasn't as good a win. lol.

[Goldie]

Remember both Berto and Peterson were willing to go the extra step when they insisted on drug testing, unfortunately they contracted the wrong testing agency. GBP made sure that never happened again, with the same guys Floyd had lined up.

I wouldn't say he ducked in 2010, maybe spring of 2010 but by the summer Floyd had taken over the lead in ducking, and continued to widen the gap. I mean what's this one and done ****, are you a boxing fan at all?

Lol So what is it that you're trying to argue, that fighters who agree to random blood/urine testing are more su****ious than fighters who refuse? What does Berto and Peterson being caught have to do with the fact that Mayweather agreed to testing that Pacquiao refused?

Of course you wouldn't say that Pacquiao ducked. You're clearly biased. The timing for the fight was perfect for 2010 and it was all but agreed upon with a more than fair deal for Pacquiao just waiting to be agreed to and he ducked it. If it's clear that they didn't want the fight then why do you keep giving them the benefit of the doubt believing that they've truly wanted the fight since? "well they came back later that year and shat they would agree to whatever" Lol Of course they said that man. They didn't want to look like they were ducking the testing and they want to paint as it they were chasing a "scared" Mayweather. They've lied over and over regarding making the Mayweather fight and you just keep blindly believing them.

[V.WEBB]

He ducked Floyd for Clottey. Thats a fact.

That fight was signed/announced shortly after Manny walked away. It was obviously already finished by Arum.

[HeroBando]

Lol Do what is it that you're trying to argue, that fighters who agree to random blood/urine testing are more su****ious than fighters who refuse? What does Berto and Peterson being caught have to do with the fact that Mayweather agreed to testing that Pacquiao refused?

Of course you wouldn't say that Pacquiao ducked. You're clearly biased. The timing for the fight was perfect for 2010 and it was all but agreed upon with a more than fair deal for Pacquiao just waiting to be agreed to and he ducked it. If it's clear that they didn't want the fight then why do you keep giving them the benefit of the doubt believing that they've truly wanted the fight since? They've lied over and over regarding making the Mayweather fight and you just keep blindly believing them.

I'm saying willingness to test is no guarantee of being clean, especially if you're employing your own testing agency, and all the USADA dirt that's come out since. Remember who does the testing was a sticking point from the beginning, with good reason. Floyd didn't show flexibility here. Shame, cause if you're crusading for the cause this was the fight to start the NSAC enhanced regime, with long term benefits.

I don't see why that was the perfect time, would have been just as good fall of 2010 or spring 2011 etc. March would actually be rushed, given the scale of this fight. But thanks for reiterating that it was one and done for Floyd. Like I said, a lonely opinion for a flo mo.

[HeroBando]

That fight was signed/announced shortly after Manny walked away. It was obviously already finished by Arum.

That's cause the Floyd negotiations broke down January, and Pac had to make his 1st campaign for Congress in April, a big deal to him. So it was known ahead of the time the schedule was tight, ridiculously for a mega fight. Of course they had to sign someone ASAP or sit out for longer than they wanted

[Beercules]

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[The Gambler1981]

It is so easy to say it is both their faults and leave it at that~ but people continue to just give Manny a pass on all the bs that came from his side which is a lot.

Both sides played hardball and only wanted things their way but at some point one sides should have relented and that should have been the one in worsening position. On the other hand there was a lot of bs and hurt feelings on both sides and that does make it hard to foster a spirit of compromise.

The only thing I would have wished about the whole ordeal is that Manny's fans would have held him accountable for his action/lack of action, since he is suppose to care about his fans maybe that would have put pressure on him to actually put some real pressure on Arum which he did have the juice to do. That could have changed the status quo.

From the Mayweather side I would have to say the decision to take the testing issue public caused a lot of hurdles that probably could have been worked out behind closed doors much easier. I think it was just a tactic to shame them into accepting because who is going to look bad like that, and maybe they felt they needed to do that to get their way. Still it made the fight very hard to make because of the **** storm it created.

[Goldie]

I'm saying willingness to test is no guarantee of being clean, especially if you're employing your own testing agency, and all the USADA dirt that's come out since. Remember who does the testing was a sticking point from the beginning, with good reason. Floyd didn't show flexibility here. Shame, cause if you're crusading for the cause this was the fight to start the NSAC enhanced regime, with long term benefits.

I don't see why that was the perfect time, would have been just as good fall of 2010 or spring 2011 etc. March would actually be rushed, given the scale of this fight. But thanks for reiterating that it was one and done for Floyd. Like I said, a lonely opinion for a flo mo.

Floyd being willing to agree to the extra testing guaranteeing that he was clean isn't my argument. My argument is that Pacquiao ducking the testing made him more su****ious of being dirty than Floyd. You're wasting your time trying to discredit the testing agency because that's beside the point.

If March was so "rushed" then why did team Pacquiao Even sit down for serious negotiations in the 1st place? That 3/13 date was agreed upon. You keep ignoring that? Take your Pacquiao cape off and stop making excuses. The fight was all but agreed upon with a more than fair deal and all Pacquiao had to do was sign the contract. That's why it was the perfect time. He decided to make a bunch of excuses and go fight someone else and as a result he's lost all of his leverage and Mayweather is over the fight. Be honest with yourself who really lost out?

[HeroBando]

Floyd being willing to agree to the extra testing guaranteeing that he was clean isn't my argument. My argument is that Pacquiao ducking the testing made him more su****ious of being dirty than Floyd. You're wasting your time trying to discredit the testing agency because that's beside the point.

If March was so "rushed" then why did team Pacquiao Even sit down for serious negotiations in the 1st place? That 3/13 date was agreed upon. You keep ignoring that? Take your Pacquiao cape off and stop making excuses. The fight was all but agreed upon with a more than fair deal and all Pacquiao had to do was sign the contract. That's why it was the perfect time. He decided to make a bunch of excuses and go fight someone else and as a result he's lost all of his leverage and Mayweather is over the fight. Be honest with yourself who really lost out?

And I'm onboard with that, so I was happy to hear Pac conceded on this a few months later (to what extent?), but I guess it was one and done which is disappointing and silly, like some of the other stunts like the 40m fixed or "I'll fight you if you join TMT and give me some fights".

Maybe they felt they could get it done, but with Floyd's late demand for extra testing and all the wrangling there, it was taking too long for march to be viable, so try again after the elections, big deal. Floyd was still nicknamed Money, why would he say "you've had your one chance, lets not make this biggest fight of all time".

[SD180sx]

Floyd said he would never work with Arum again, meaning all his offers before was all BS. So why even accept a BS offer, Pac would have probaly gotten the Khan treatment from Floyd and just get teased about the fight happening with in fact Floyd having Zero intention on really making the fight happend.