Cuauhtemoc1520's take on Canelo vs Angulo

[deejd]

Man! It came to a point where he was dodging punches and wasn't even looking at Angulo. That was insane!

Why was it insane? Angulo couldn't get any slower.... but then he did. It took him an hour to walk to the ring.

[deejd]

canelo's a very good offensive fighter. he's great on the eyes. he's going to be at or around the top for a while.

i don't think he will be, or even can ever become a great. his feet and upper body are just too slow. some guys make up for stiffness with reflexes, defensive timing, and craft, but he's not that kind of athlete. his power is also awesome, especially when he throws it in combination like that, but he's not a true one punch puncher. i don't think his chin or power or craft will make up for his lack of speed to the degree that it can help him become a great fighter.


i think canelo's going to have a short, exciting, lucrative career. more than a great fighter, he will go down as a star. that guy looks like an artist drew him up. his face looks like it belongs on a superhero from a comic book.


i agree on angulo. it's scary to see a man take punishment like that. what's scarier is that he took a worse beating against kirkland. it went a little bit further than weeks was willing to let it go on saturday.


i watched the fight with a close friend, who is a casual fan of boxing. he loves to watch fights, but he's not a real boxing fan. we both agreed that the stoppage was great. whether or not he was affected by my suggesting that the fight was stopped early i cannot say, but he didn't complain at all.

i LOVED the stoppage. you need referees with a set of balls like tony weeks to keep these guys alive. you can f#cking die in there. angulo was taking combinations, not just power shots. over half of canelo's power was landing, and many of the punches were true flush shots, landing right on the face and even the chin.

angulo will have the option to fight again. weeks afforded him that. i'd prefer if angulo hangs up his gloves, but he won't. GBP might give him a rebuilding fight, but they'll match him within the calendar year with an up and comer if they've got their way.

Outstanding post. As long as GBP keeps making the right moves with him aka avoiding technicians. Should Martinez win, even that's a good bout for him now.... pre-Chavez Jr. 12th round -- no way.

[Shambrolic]

What impressed me the most was Canelo's timing and awareness. He shown in this fight he have been breaking down that Mayweather fight. He knew that he had to be first and calm to catch Angulo's shots and counter with hard shots then walk him down on the back foot. He really drastically improved and absorbed everything up like a sponge after that Mayweather clinic. I thought Alvarez didn't have a future but I see he has a brain and his potential is looking very high right now especially if after a loss he implemented some skills and pulled it off from his previous opponent.

He's kind of scary..

A lot of people is saying its Angulo but you must pay attention what he was doing.. He broke down that Mayweather type. I see why Floyd sr is interested in Alvarez.. I think that will be a good move. He understands the concept. Canelo is ahead of his coaches...

[-Kev-]

the fight was clearly fixed. angulo came out throwing arm punches from the opening bell. he was literally tapping him. big puncher starts throwing punches like joe calzaghe and you think it wasn't fixed? canelo was hitting him so that made him completely change the way he throws punches?

He didn't come out throwing anything. Canelo came out and threw a brutally accurate and powerful leaping left hook that clearly rattled Angulo momentarily and set the tone for who's power and handspeed is superior, therefore, who the superior fighter is. Once Canelo established even further that he's the boss, by putting up a high guard that could not be penetrated, followed by those bodyshots, it was over from round 1 and it was just a matter of for how long would Virgil Hunter or Tony Weeks/Ringside docs would let the punishment go on. They let it go on for a very long time IMO.

In Rigondeaux vs Donaire round 1, just seconds into the bell, look how Rigondeaux set the tone with the straight left that backed up Donaire and rattled him enough to show Donaire that he will have the handspeed advantage and that if you get caught slipping he can put you down. Immediately after that left hand, Donaire was in shock since round 1 and afraid to engage for 11 rounds. That first punch your opponent throws at you with such speed and power that leaves in shock is mentally damaging in a fight. You would only know how discouraging this is if it happened to you. Similar thing happened in Mosley-Margarito.

[Shambrolic]

People are not really paying attention to the skill and awareness Canelo was showcasing. He was doing everything in the book and he definitely improved. I am truly shocked..

I think Lara has a tough time with Canelo and I give Canelo a very great chance. His head movement, his timing and counter punching in between punches is similar to Floyd's. I wasn't a fan but I have to be a fan of skill when it's on display. Alvarez is really really good... I watched the fight 4 times and I just can't believe how much he understands, he knows. Mayweather wasn't lying about Alvarez..

[Shambrolic]

Kev have the deducing eye. That's exactly what happened. I lôve boxing it's hard for people to understand if they don't understand the mental processes and physical duress as well as skill being displayed. You have to watch a lot of boxing to see.. To get a trained eye.

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

Does anyone know what the weights were going into the ring?

I don't mean to rain on Cauth's thread and all the Alvarez props, but I'm not necessarily a fan of how weight issue went down. I know Alvarez request an extra lb. and then I read I think it was Rafael's comment that only Alvarez had to weigh no more than '68 by 3pm on Saturday.... but then I read the day of the fight that neither fighter was allowed to rehydrate past '68 by 3pm, which is weird considering Angulo didn't request the extra pound.

Don't get me wrong, Angulo looked slower -- how that's possible, I have no idea whatsoever. But that wasn't Angulo in there. In no way was it a fix, nobody is getting hit that much throughout an entire fight when they can take a dive early in the fight and preserve their career.

Something was wrong, though. Perhaps Angulo was shot and it's just time or maybe something had to do with the weight. I still remember Lara complaining about how GBP said he couldn't rehydrate to a certain weight when he fought Angulo, but Angulo came in at light heavy. And at that time, both GBP and arum were complaining about Cuban fighters and how they couldn't sell, yadda yadda.

I believe that the contract weight was no more than 168 on fight day, which Canelo made. That night I think Angulo actually out weighed Canelo at 174lbs if I'm not mistaken.

[A-Wolf]

First I was very disappointed with Figueroa and Molina being taken off the card. I thought those two would have made it worth while.

Ricardo Alvarez vs Ya Yo Thompson

Ricardo better thank god Figueroa hurt his writs because Figueroa would have hurt him. Terrible outing by him, overrated power and bad defense. I think Paulie said it best when he said Thompson can't miss.

Linares vs Arakawa

Linares looked good as always, faded a bit in the later rounds. Arakawa has no power so that helped Linares. Shame because if Arakawa had power, he would be one exciting fighter.

Santa Cruz vs Mijares

I thought Mijares used all of his experience to last in this fight. He was getting hit with some hard body shots, and was hurt late in the fight but he knows how to go the distance. Santa Cruz looked good, real good. I know some fans might not think so because he didn't get the KO but he dominated that fight easily against a very experienced fighter.

Canelo vs Angulo

There's a couple things I want to address here. First off, why was Angulo looking like he was throwing with no power. Well the answer to that is easy. When a fighter is faster, and pushing you backwards, they take that from you. It's the same reason fans didn't understand why Canelo wasn't doing this vs Mayweather.

Angulo IMO was set up to make Canelo look good. Perfect style, no speed and the game plan against Angulo was ballsy and genius. Push him back, be the aggressor. Don't allow Angulo to come forward and be the bully.

It worked and I thought Canelo looked very good. His speed was impressive, his defense has grown leaps and bounds since 2 years ago, and he can **** with the best of them. By the way, to those saying it was fixed are ***in idiots that need to stop watching boxing.

I thought it was an EXCELLENT stoppage. With the heavyweight Russian going into a coma, boxing refs and officials I think will be more careful in allowing a fighter to take serious damage. Don't think I'm exaggerating when I say Tony Weeks might have saved Angulo's life, or at least his brain. He was being punished and not throwing anything in return.

When a fight is competitive, then you let it go. When it's not, there's no reason to allow a fighter to take this amount of punishment. It's for nothing, he couldn't win and Canelo was literally toying with him at one point. Putting his hands down and standing in front of Angulo, slipping all his shots.

Canelo will fight the winner of Martinez vs Cotto and that will bring big money. I also think he will fight Lara in the near future as well. Kid is talented and has a very bright future and the scary thing is, he's 23 years old.

I believe Angulo is done. His career is on the line and I don't want to see him take punishment like this anymore. Love his character, style and heart but he might need to call it a career.

Agree with most of your appraisal except for giving too much special credit to Team Canelo for drafting any sort of game plan. Canelo only fights one way.

[Spray_resistant]

Canelo improved since the Floyd fight and Angulo is rapidly declining is what produced the result of that fight.

Santa Cruz is just tedious to watch, he is busy but to me I just want his fights to be over which he didn't end on an opponent he was dominating before the distance, bad showing I think.

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

He didn't come out throwing anything. Canelo came out and threw a brutally accurate and powerful leaping left hook that clearly rattled Angulo momentarily and set the tone for who's power and handspeed is superior, therefore, who the superior fighter is. Once Canelo established even further that he's the boss, by putting up a high guard that could not be penetrated, followed by those bodyshots, it was over from round 1 and it was just a matter of for how long would Virgil Hunter or Tony Weeks/Ringside docs would let the punishment go on. They let it go on for a very long time IMO.

In Rigondeaux vs Donaire round 1, just seconds into the bell, look how Rigondeaux set the tone with the straight left that backed up Donaire and rattled him enough to show Donaire that he will have the handspeed advantage and that if you get caught slipping he can put you down. Immediately after that left hand, Donaire was in shock since round 1 and afraid to engage for 11 rounds. That first punch your opponent throws at you with such speed and power that leaves in shock is mentally damaging in a fight. You would only know how discouraging this is if it happened to you. Similar thing happened in Mosley-Margarito.

Excellent post man. I had a young fighter who sparred for the first time the other day come up to me and tell me the same thing.

He said "Coach, you know I watch fights and yell at the screen for them to throw punches. Now I know why they aren't throwing punches, it's way different in there."

When you have those combinations coming, accurately and that hard, it will change the way you fight. Canelo became gun shy when Floyd started countering him with the right hand.