Who ranks higher in your ATG list? Joe Frazier or Wladimir Klitschko?

[Weltschmerz]

And so Trevor Berbick is another ATG?

........ apparently. Brian Nielsen the heavyweight from Denmark is also atg, cause he defeated Larry Holmes.

[just the facts]

GGG is from Kazakhstan, Shavikov is Russian and Wlad is Ukrainian.

Point taken, I'm a cold war baby boomer, and couldn't tell you the difference. My apologies

[LacedUp]

And so Trevor Berbick is another ATG?

........ apparently. Brian Nielsen the heavyweight from Denmark is also atg, cause he defeated Larry Holmes.

Comparing Joe Frazier to those guys?

At least Frazier has a win over a HOFamer and a couple of ATGs.

What does Wlad have in comparison?

"Oh but he's had a lot of wins against bigger guys". "Size matters"



You guys are so clueless it's unreal.

[just the facts]

........ apparently. Brian Nielsen the heavyweight from Denmark is also atg, cause he defeated Larry Holmes.

These guys you are trying to use to make your case (Berbick, Nielsen) beat ancient versions of their ATG opponents (Ali, Holmes). Not over the hill, but ancient. The same can't be said of Wlads loses.

I think Wlad is easily an ATG and the best HWT today. That said, I (like most posters) don't think his lengthy reign as champ approaches having a win vs who is widely accepted as the best HWT of all time (Ali). In Ali's prime no less.

[Bull24]

Clearly Frazier

[GoldenGloveLove]

Sounds like a troll. No reason to make a thread about a troll. You'd have to be a troll or completely ignorant to say Frazier's only got bums on his record besides Ali. Frazier beat several good heavyweights. They're both greats, Frazier will rank higher because he doesn't have the bad losses and because his best win is so far beyond anything Wlad ever even had a chance to get. That's just reality.

[atomicsad]

The poll is closer than I would expect.

[andrewa1]

Wow, the irrational nostalgiaism is just rampant. This isn't a serious question, Joe was the 3rd best of his era. Wlad is second (or plausible argument for #1, over his brother). I have Joe rated higher than any other in era #3 on the all time list, but it's absurd to rank him over someone vastly better in era, especially when that person would ko1 him H2H. People talk about Wlad's chin, but it's iron compared to Joe's, they both were kd'd about the same number of times, ko'd the same number, but Joe had half the fights (not to mention his fights were against glorified cruiserweights).

[Sugar Adam Ali]

And so Trevor Berbick is another ATG?

Your an idiot

You have to use some critical thinking,,, beating undefeated Ali in the biggest fight ever or a guy beating old shot Ali

Think silly, before u post crap like that

[just the facts]

Wow, the irrational nostalgiaism is just rampant. This isn't a serious question, Joe was the 3rd best of his era. Wlad is second (or plausible argument for #1, over his brother). I have Joe rated higher than any other in era #3 on the all time list, but it's absurd to rank him over someone vastly better in era, especially when that person would ko1 him H2H. People talk about Wlad's chin, but it's iron compared to Joe's, they both were kd'd about the same number of times, ko'd the same number, but Joe had half the fights (not to mention his fights were against glorified cruiserweights).

pure drivel, Frazier might actually be the 3rd best hwt of his era, but lets not act like Wlad would beat Ali or Foreman either.

knocked down the same # of times? Lets examine who was scoring these KDs, Foreman bounced Frazier like a basketball. Who had Wlads knees doing the noodle dance? Third rate contenders, that's who.

H2H? a prime Frazier with that murderous left hook and unmatched (at least at HWT) determination cracks that weak beard of Wlads in less than 5rds.

Wlad is not the puncher Foreman was and isn't anywhere close to being the boxer Ali was