Who ranks higher in your ATG list? Joe Frazier or Wladimir Klitschko?

[sugarsmosley]

That moot point because not one of his wins are gonna beat ali but one fight doesnt define your atg status. Wlad is a better fighter and was dominate longer and in all likely hood kill Joe frazier one on one.

You try to discount my argument with a question. That is not a good argument. Ill be honest i hate this era of HW's but you still cant discredit what wlad has done. Which is far beyond what joe has ever accomplished.

And please dont act like wlad couldnt of competed in any era. He dwarves most hw's all time and likely smash any all time great. Could some of them beat wlad? sure but it wouldnt be as easy as some say on this forum

you're the only one arguing. i simply just asked a question. what's wlad's best win?

[dynomyte1444]

you're very delusional if you think he passes larry holmes or lennox. he's not even a top 10 Heavy. he may be an ATG in the end, but nowhere near goat.

Im really not trying to be a *** but are you illiterate or maybe young?

I asked a question about what another poster thought and you jumped in and said im delusional.

Are you ok man?

do you not know the difference between a statement and a question?

[jasjas]

lepai is a true warrior

[King_]

I believe most your boxing opinions are all driven by nationalistic pride. Again, this is a good thing, but please keep your feet on the ground.

No way in hell Wlads chin hold up to those resumes. Norton, Foreman, Ali, Holyfield, Douglas, all beat Wlad.

Remember,Vasquez was supposed to be easy work for Shavikov

Huh? I am not from where Wlad is from so I am not sure what you're talking about.


And I haven't watched the fight but Vazquez won, he was the better fighter... I predicted a fight wrong, what am I supposed to say? Lol. That's irrelevant to this thread anyway

[dynomyte1444]

Im from america and its very easy to know that wlad surpasses Joe

[sugarsmosley]

Im really not trying to be a *** but are you illiterate or maybe young?

I asked a question about what another poster thought and you jumped in and said im delusional.

Are you ok man?

do you not know the difference between a statement and a question?

you asked if wlad passes larry holmes............ i'm done.

[King_]

you think he passes lennox or larry holmes? Larry is very underrated in the rankings of HW's. He would of been able to hang with any of the greats of any era

He has work to do, but yes. If he can continue to clean out the division and defend his title for a couple of more years. In Wlads case, the numbers speak for itself and is undeniable. You simply cannot deny or ignore the dominance of Wlads current title reign.


I can't say what Larry would do in any era or predict a fantasy fight but him and Lewis are both ATGS, without a doubt

[King_]

you're the only one arguing. i simply just asked a question. what's wlad's best win?

Povetkin, Ibragimov, Chagaev, Byrd are all fantastic wins.


Povetkin and Ibragimov could of very well been great in other eras had Wlad not been there. We will never know. Comparing past ATG opponents is always a bit silly.

Like I said earlier, due to size alone.... It's not crazy to think Wlad steamrolls through some other ATGs résumé. IMO

[sugarsmosley]

Povetkin, Ibragimov, Chagaev, Byrd are all fantastic wins.


Povetkin and Ibragimov could of very well been great in other eras had Wlad not been there. We will never know. Comparing past ATG opponents is always a bit silly.

Like I said earlier, due to size alone.... It's not crazy to think Wlad steamrolls through some other ATGs résumé. IMO

maybe i'm just dumb after all, from what that guy was telling me. but when i see these guys as your signature victories, it's hard for me to put him over top 10 ATG heavies like frazier. and especially LARRY HOLMES..... who could be top 5??? come on people..... your opinion though..

[King_]

maybe i'm just dumb after all, from what that guy was telling me. but when i see these guys as your signature victories, it's hard for me to put him over top 10 ATG heavies like frazier. and especially LARRY HOLMES..... who could be top 5??? come on people..... your opinion though..

Not sure what's hard to see about an undefeated Olympic gold medalist. You can only fight who is in your era and these were the best in Wlads era and he beat them with ease.

No one can say how these guys would match up in past eras. For all we know, Chris Byrd, Ibragimov or Povetkin could of beaten Tyson, Ali and Frazier. Who knows?

Wlad has dominated the best with ease.

This is just my opinion