Who ranks higher in your ATG list? Joe Frazier or Wladimir Klitschko?

[Mr.Fantastic]

Wlad doesn't get the credit he deserves. Lot of black american boxers get overrated to the extreme by so called boxing fans. If you actually have a good set of standards and follow them evenly with every boxer, you'd see boxing in a whole new world and not the image the media/fanatics make it.

[A-Wolf]

Please.

[LacedUp]

Joe Frazier is an overrated boxer just because he's an American who held the world title people suddenly think he is better than Wladimir Klitschko, Wlad has all but dominated the division whilst Joe Frazier couldn't even be the best in his which wasn't that strong of an era!

Joe Frazier would of lost to David Haye who Wladimir owned.

I used to think you were a huge troll, but then you sort of turned me around a little - and now this? Come on man.

First off, it's not about who's "better", it's about who did most in their respective eras and who's got the highest quality of wins etc.

Wlad has dominated an era that is stronger than the ones Frazier fought in? You can't be serious.

Joe Frazier would have knocked Haye spark out, something Wlad couldn't do.

Joe Frazier = Overrated bum who got lucky against Muhammad Ali once and suddenly people think he's good LMAO!!!!

Other than his lucky win over Ali his resume is pretty ****.

Jesus, you are joining King- on the "must sig" list.

[GeneralZod]

Frazier's win over Ali alone is far better than anything Wlad has ever accomplished. Throw in other wins like Ellis x2, Quarry x2, Foster, Bugner, Chuvalo, and Machen just to top it off.

EDIT: Seriously, people are comparing Frazier's win over Muhammad to Nielsen and Berbick? Have these people ever even watched boxing before 2003? Ali was undefeated and coming off a 3 round win over Jerry Quarry when Frazier beat him, not counting the two other bouts were Ali seriously struggled to keep Joe down.

[Wesker115]

This thread! :lol:
But seriously, does Smokin' Joe go through Wlad's resume unbeaten?

[LacedUp]

Frazier's win over Ali alone is far better than anything Wlad has ever accomplished. Throw in other wins like Ellis x2, Quarry x2, Foster, Bugner, Chuvalo, and Machen just to top it off.

Somebody tried to tell me Frazier wasn't as great as Wlad because he was knocked out by Foreman

Oh the irony.

This thread! :lol:
But seriously, does Smokin' Joe go through Wlad's resume unbeaten?

Maybe, maybe not. But he doesn't lose to the guys Wlad has lost to.

[King_]

This thread! :lol:
But seriously, does Smokin' Joe go through Wlad's resume unbeaten?

Haye, Ibragimov, Povetkin, Chagaev, Byrd, Peter and Sanders all beat Joe, IMO


Obviously this is just speculation and doesn't even matter because know one knows. Hell for all we know, Ali gets KOd by Povetkin

[LacedUp]

Haye, Ibragimov, Povetkin, Chagaev, Byrd, Peter and Sanders all beat Joe, IMO


Obviously this is just speculation and doesn't even matter because know one knows. Hell for all we know, Ali gets KOd by Povetkin

I think you have embarrassed yourself enough in this thread as it is.

But you just keep producing one gem after another

[VG_Addict]

Did someone seriously say Wlad goes through Ali, Frazier, and Tyson's resumes with no trouble?

Even Tyson has a better resume than Wlad, with wins over 2 ATGs in Holmes and Spinks.

[just the facts]

Haye, Ibragimov, Povetkin, Chagaev, Byrd, Peter and Sanders all beat Joe, IMO


Obviously this is just speculation and doesn't even matter because know one knows. Hell for all we know, Ali gets KOd by Povetkin

no, just no

Do yourself a favor and just watch Frazier fight.