Who ranks higher in your ATG list? Joe Frazier or Wladimir Klitschko?

[A_Jeffrey]

what's wlad's best win

according to this logic, Hasim Rahman is higher then Holmes, Louis, Lewis and Wlad in ATG lists.

[sugarsmosley]

according to this logic, Hasim Rahman is higher then Holmes, Louis, Lewis and Wlad in ATG lists.

i have no idea what you're going on about.

[dynomyte1444]

That's fine. At the end of the day, there IS a possibility Wlad retires not just as an ATG (he already is) but as the GOAT



I ain't even mad

you think he passes lennox or larry holmes? Larry is very underrated in the rankings of HW's. He would of been able to hang with any of the greats of any era

[sugarsmosley]

you think he passes lennox or larry holmes? Larry is very underrated in the rankings of HW's. He would of been able to hang with any of the greats of any era

you're very delusional if you think he passes larry holmes or lennox. he's not even a top 10 Heavy. he may be an ATG in the end, but nowhere near goat.

[joseph5620]

even if Frazier ranks higher right now, 10 years after Wlad's retirement he'll surpass Frazier by far in ATG lists. Wlad has his own era, undefeated since 2006, has more title defenses then every other champ except for Louis and Ali, and Frazier was a secondary fighter in his own era. Also, he got destroyed in his prime or close to prime by Foreman and Ali.
The only memorable thing Frazier did in his career was defeating Ali in 1 fight, but he lost the other 2.
Wlad only lost when he was green and nowhere near his prime years. H2H Wlad would also beat him.

Wlad is highly underrated right now, just like Lewis when he was active. People say same **** about Wlad now that they were saying about Lewis in the 90s.

Actually, that's' the only memorable thing for you because you're ridiculously ignorant on the topic of Joe Frazier. You don't know what you're talking about.

You fit right in here in NSB though. I'll give you that.

[Weltschmerz]

Wladimir, obviously. It's like a non-question. Lol what a troll thread.

[just the facts]

How can you compare Purrity and Sanders to any other ATGs opponent? I can just say Wlad runs through Ali, Frazier and Tyson's resumes without breaking a sweat

I believe most your boxing opinions are all driven by nationalistic pride. Again, this is a good thing, but please keep your feet on the ground.

No way in hell Wlads chin hold up to those resumes. Norton, Foreman, Ali, Holyfield, Douglas, all beat Wlad.

Remember,Vasquez was supposed to be easy work for Shavikov

[bojangles1987]

Actually, that's' the only memorable thing for you because you're ridiculously ignorant on the topic of Joe Frazier. You don't know what you're talking about.

You fit right in here in NSB though. I'll give you that.

I don't mind people saying Frazier didn't do anything but beat Ali once out of ignorance, because then posters can tell them why that's not true and something can be learned. The same way I learned about Joe Frazier's career besides Ali.

It's the fact that over two threads, the same people have been told why that isn't true at all and yet keep saying it anyway, because they don't want to hear differently. That's not ignorance, that's a biased agenda.

[LacedUp]

Can one Klitschko fan make a legitimate, educated response as to why Wlad would rank higher than Joe Frazier?

Or is that completely out of the question?

[dynomyte1444]

what's wlad's best win

That moot point because not one of his wins are gonna beat ali but one fight doesnt define your atg status. Wlad is a better fighter and was dominate longer and in all likely hood kill Joe frazier one on one.

You try to discount my argument with a question. That is not a good argument. Ill be honest i hate this era of HW's but you still cant discredit what wlad has done. Which is far beyond what joe has ever accomplished.

And please dont act like wlad couldnt of competed in any era. He dwarves most hw's all time and likely smash any all time great. Could some of them beat wlad? sure but it wouldnt be as easy as some say on this forum