Floyd's Resume

[BoxingGenius27]

All right, if you honestly think Mosley was prime, I'd encourage you to go watch his fight with Ricardo Mayorga. If you still don't change your opinion after that then I don't know what to say.



De La Hoya wasn't prime, and went from bad to worse after that bout, retiring just two fights later.

I never said Mosley or DLH were prime, I said they were coming off really good wins. Mosley actually being a great win and prob one of his best wins in his career.

Yes, Mosley looked like crap against Mayorga, I know, I saw it live. But he looked damn good against Margarito where everyone expected him not to see the last round

Say what you want about DLH, but he looked damn good the fight prior to FMJ.

But hey, going off your standards, I can say the same about Hatton. He looked like crap his next fight against Lazcano

[Weebler I]

I never said Mosley or DLH were prime, I said they were coming off really good wins. Mosley actually being a great win and prob one of his best wins in his career.

Yes, Mosley looked like crap against Mayorga, I know, I saw it live. But he looked damn good against Margarito where everyone expected him not to see the last round

Then we don't have an issue. I was saying they were past prime. We're in agreement.

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Again, Cotto has NEVER called out anyone. You're saying he should've called out Floyd, but he didn't even call out Alphonzo Gomez, shane Mosley, margarito, judah, branco, malignaggi, no one.

Cotto had the better JWW and WW resume than Mayweather at the time. That's just a fact. Bruh, I like mayweather like the next man, but I we gotta be honest..

I don't know why Floyd wouldn't fight Cotto in 08. It was the biggest fight in boxing. I'm not saying he was scared, but saying a man lives to far and isn't a draw is BS

I'm not saying he should've called out anyone. I am saying IF he wanted the fight, then he should've gone to Arum and told him to make the fight....OR to at least explore if the fight could be made. HE SAID that he never.

I never said Cotto's Jr WW welterweight record wasn't better at the time , referred to their quality of opponents in total up until that time and I stand by that. And, if his record at JWW was so great, then why didn't he fight Floyd at JWW??

I agree, Floyd shouldn't have given those excuses, he should've just come out with the truth. My issue is this "Floyd ducked Cotto" nonsense. If either one of them wanted to make the fight, they would've tried to make it. Neither one of them did, so if one ducked, then so did the other.

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It's true for most of them.

Past prime: De La Hoya, Mosley, Cotto, Gatti, Hernandez
Not at best weight: Marquez, Hatton, Judah, Guerrero, Alvarez, Ortiz

ODH and Mosley -Their fault! Floyd wanted both of them in their primes and they both declined the fight. Context my friend!

Gatti- Are you saying he ducked Gatti. He fought him at 140 soon after he got there. He KO the guy that Ko'd Gatti years earlier in Angel Manfredy.

Hernandez- If past his prime, he certainly wasnt far past it. PLUS, Floyd was far from hitting his prime at 18 fights. I would say that Hernandes was closer to his prime than Floyd was at 21 yrs old and 18 fights into his career.

Marquez-Check his fight night weights. Just like Pacquiao he has fought at WW for years.

Hatton- Name me one cash cow who has moved down to fight another fighter. You could say ODH, but look how that turned out. Only difference is, Hatton had already won a belt at 147. And are u really trying to say that Floyd is bigger than Hatton???

Judah, Guerroro, Ortiz- all of these guys had moved up to WW. So now Floyd should've moved down? Both Guerrero and Ortiz were coming off huge wins when Floyd fought them and both were bigger than Floyd.

Khan would be another guy who was better at 140, but fighting at 147. Maidana's record at 147 isn't great, it's built of a Broner win who himself has not looked good at WW.

Are u kidding? Khan hasn't even fought at the 147 limit yet.So how do you know how he is going to look at WW? Why is it u will defend Pac all day long for fighting guys outside of the optimal weight, but Floyd needs to move down?

On Hatton, when Floyd was at 140, Floyd wanted no part of Hatton who was the man in the division and the draw at the time. "I'm not fighting in England" was the line. This is all on record. Hatton had to move up, and travel to get the fight. Floyd went for Gatti, and complained about having to fight in AC.

Move up and travel? He had already moved up BEFORE the fight took place and the traveling part is a stretch is it not seeing that almost all his big fights were in the US. He wanted no part of Hatton at 140, yet less than 1 year later, Hatton was the one turning him down 2 or more times in 2006?

Hatton Speaks: Asked why he turned down a Mayweather Fight Twice this year from Dog House Boxing


Ricky Hatton
In an International Press conference held yesterday, Ricky Hatton was told that Bruce Trampler of Top Rank, Mayweather’s now former promoter had said that Ricky turned down a fight with Mayweather at least twice this year and that he would not be facing him this year. Hatton was asked if this was correct?

Here is what Ricky Hatton had to say on the subject:

RICKY HATTON: Well, me personally it wasn’t done but I mean I can’t be speaking for their – you know for my team or – to be honest this year it would be ****** to admit with a fight with Mayweather because I have so many problems with – problems outside the ring where my father promoted (INAUDIBLE) obviously we were sitting trying to do a deal with HBO.

I was in negotiations with that when my current promoter and he’s my new promoter, you know, from Artie Pelullo, Robert Waterman and Dennis Hobson. He was who had the court case with Souleymane M’Baye was claiming (INAUDIBLE) fight. There were so many things going on and it’s been difficult to – you know to basically get on with the fighting so to speak, you know, with the negotiations.

But I think the sensible thing is, you know, I’ve – I don’t think that when I come straight out of England and fight in the first time in America and fight Floyd Mayweather, you know. To be perfectly honest with you I think that would be a ****** thing to do.

I mean for instance Floyd Mayweather, you know, said on many occasions a few years back he would come to Manchester and he would fight me in front of me own crowd and he would knock me out and do all this crap what he’s been saying and now he’s all of a sudden decided – seems a bit cautious (INAUDIBLE) and don’t – during – over the last 12 months he didn’t want to come to Manchester.

So, you know, if I was going to be (INAUDIBLE), you know, maybe he don’t want to fight me. He said he was going to come to Manchester now he’s changed his mind. So I’m not inviting Floyd. Floyd’s not inviting me. You know and I had a lot going on in the last 12 months but me and Floyd will get it together. So I’ll fight everybody once but I think – you know I have not fight in the United States for a number of years now so I think it’s important that I’ve done my deal now with my new promoters and we’re with HBO and we know what direction we’re going.

Hopefully the court case with my (INAUDIBLE) promoter with (INAUDIBLE) – will get squashed and the case with Souleymane M’Baye and then you know we can start looking about positive things like a fight with Mayweather but it’s a been a difficult 12 months for me and ...

I mean I’m not saying that, you know, my feet have turned down a fight with Mayweather it may be that (INAUDIBLE) answer for them but there been a little bit confusion, you know, over lately what me team would be. You know, I’ve just only just recently signed with HBO and Dennis Hobson and Robert Waterman of Fight Academy and Art Pelullo of banner Promotions and it’s nice to know what direction you’re going in.

I think you need to know what direction you’re going in before you can make a decision like on a fight with Mayweather.

[BoxingGenius27]

I'm not saying he should've called out anyone. I am saying IF he wanted the fight, then he should've gone to Arum and told him to make the fight....OR to at least explore if the fight could be made. HE SAID that he never.

I never said Cotto's Jr WW welterweight record wasn't better at the time , referred to their quality of opponents in total up until that time and I stand by that. And, if his record at JWW was so great, then why didn't he fight Floyd at JWW??

I agree, Floyd shouldn't have given those excuses, he should've just come out with the truth. My issue is this "Floyd ducked Cotto" nonsense. If either one of them wanted to make the fight, they would've tried to make it. Neither one of them did, so if one ducked, then so did the other.

Has Cotto ever gone to Arum to request a fight? He didn't even do that for Pac, but he still fought him. It's just not his style and never has; don't ask me why.

Floyd on the other hand has called out ODLH, Mosley, Kosta Tzyu, and many many others. You couple this with Mayweather was his own boss, this is why I put the blame on Floyd.

Again, the Mayweather - Cotto fight didn't happen at 140 because Cotto wasn't ready for the fight until 2008 after he beat Mosley. That said, Cotto still had the better JWW and WW resume at the time.

[IronDanHamza]

It's true for most of them.

Past prime: De La Hoya, Mosley, Cotto, Gatti, Hernandez
Not at best weight: Marquez, Hatton, Judah, Guerrero, Alvarez, Ortiz

Khan would be another guy who was better at 140, but fighting at 147. Maidana's record at 147 isn't great, it's built of a Broner win who himself has not looked good at WW.

On Hatton, when Floyd was at 140, Floyd wanted no part of Hatton who was the man in the division and the draw at the time. "I'm not fighting in England" was the line. This is all on record. Hatton had to move up, and travel to get the fight. Floyd went for Gatti, and complained about having to fight in AC.

How did you figure Hernandez was passed prime?

Looked better than ever to me.

[Public_Enemy]

It's true for most of them.

Past prime: De La Hoya, Mosley, Cotto, Gatti, Hernandez
Not at best weight: Marquez, Hatton, Judah, Guerrero, Alvarez, Ortiz

Khan would be another guy who was better at 140, but fighting at 147. Maidana's record at 147 isn't great, it's built of a Broner win who himself has not looked good at WW.

On Hatton, when Floyd was at 140, Floyd wanted no part of Hatton who was the man in the division and the draw at the time. "I'm not fighting in England" was the line. This is all on record. Hatton had to move up, and travel to get the fight. Floyd went for Gatti, and complained about having to fight in AC.

That's BS. Don't rewrite history. Hatton didn't want to fight Floyd after the Gatti fight.

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Has Cotto ever gone to Arum to request a fight? He didn't even do that for Pac, but he still fought him. It's just not his style and never has; don't ask me why.

Floyd on the other hand has called out ODLH, Mosley, Kosta Tzyu, and many many others. You couple this with Mayweather was his own boss, this is why I put the blame on Floyd.

Again, the Mayweather - Cotto fight didn't happen at 140 because Cotto wasn't ready for the fight until 2008 after he beat Mosley. That said, Cotto still had the better JWW and WW resume at the time.

Ok then Floyd should get a pass too because he hasn't wanted to work with Arum, nor has he since that time. At least HE was consistent with that as well, right??

[BoxingGenius27]

Ok then Floyd should get a pass to becuas he wasn't, nor has he worked with Arum since then. At least HE was consistent as well, right??

In 2008, Floyd never mentioned anything about Arum being the problem like it is today. You can check google, all credible boxing websites, etc. He never says one thing about not being able to work with Arum.

The only thing Floyd has on record for the Cotto fight not happening in early 08 is:

-He lives to far

-He's not a draw

-He doesn't want to call out any WW's

-He's retiring or needs a vaction

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In 2008, Floyd never mentioned anything about Arum being the problem like it is today. You can check google, all credible boxing websites, etc. He never says one thing about not being able to work with Arum.

The only thing Floyd has on record for the Cotto fight not happening in early 08 is:

-He lives to far

-He's not a draw

-He doesn't want to call out any WW's

-He's retiring or needs a vaction

Yes, but he mentioned long ago that Arum screwed him out of money and he hasn't worked with him since, right? 2+2=??? Maybe he didn't want to badmouth Arum at the time. I don't know the reason, but common sense says that if he didn't work with Arum then or since, not wanting to work with Arum was most logically answer why he didn't push for the fight.