JMM is not an ATG

[solo20]

3 reasons why marquez is not an ATG:

1. he drinks peds and piss.

2. he likes korean men.

3. anytime somebody beats him he cries robbery and makes lame tshirts and stalks people.

we get it you hate JMM for what he did to Pac maybe if they would have not rob him every time he fought the guy he wouldn't have knock the piss out of Pac his anger wouldn't have been so great towards Pac and how many ALT do you have you are one sick nutjob AND JUST SO YOU KNOW PAC DOES NOT GIVE A **** ASS ABOUT YOU HE WOULD PISS ON YOU "peeleft:

[Dinamita 03]

look at the names you're using to justify ATG status...Juan Diaz and Katsidis? you're killing your own argument, bud...

You must have misread my post I used those names as decent wins and said without Pacquiao he would still be a HoF fighter. He's not an ATG because he beat Diaz and Katsidis no where did I say that his rivalry with Pacquiao is what elevates him to that status and not the names I mentioned.

[Vasyl’s dad]

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Originally Posted by -MAKAVELLI-

one big win doesn't make you an ATG...especially if you needed 4 tries and PEDs to do it

I never understood this argument. Yeah it took Marquez 4 fights to get a decisive win yet in that same span Pacquiao has yet to beat Marquez decisively and he's going to need at least 5 fights to do it.

He beat him decisively the very first time.


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[billeau2]

Anyone here think he is an ATG
Prove it

I think its hard to make that judgement when a guy is still fighting. Is Ward an ATG? But he is definitely in the running. The guy did somehting against Pacquia which showes incredible extraordinary will and determination. I am not talking about the type of will it took Gatti and Ward to fight when evenly matched....What he did that second fight, getting off the canvas was phenominal. His counterpunching skills are phenominal and he beat many of the guys that were great fighters in his divisions.

Yu obviously are but hurt about something involving JMM...maybe it was making pac his wayward son, i don't know and don't care... Because prove my azz is pink, in other words his accomplishments speak for themselves and whether he is considered great or not is still an open question.

[raabd]

IMO other than Bradley and mayweather jmm is undefeated. Losing to mayweather is no big deal...he had to jump two weight classes to do it and I thought he was an undersized lightweight to begin with at the time. That fight should've never taken place but money talks. Then he lost to bradley at ww at the age of 40. Not sure if he's an ATG but he's def in that ballpark IMO

[-Antonio-]

Tarver is not a good comparison. He doesn't have much other than the Jones wins, while Marquez has many good wins beyond Pacquiao. And the Roy Jones Tarver beat was clearly past prime, whereas Marquez gave a prime Pacquiao fits. Also, Tarver's losses are less excusable. Marquez's losses came against the very best, and only one of them was decisive.

Tarver is not an ATG, but Marquez arguably (I say arguably, not definitely) is.

I wouldn't say Marquez has many good wins. That version of Casa was shot. The version of Barrera he beat was still game but heavily past his prime as well. Also considering how well Barrera did in that fight I think it helps the argument that prime for prime he was a better fighter.

Prime, undefeated Juan Diaz is a good win. Salido is solid. Kats...I guess.

If Marquez is an ATG then Barrera and Morales are too.

beating those fighters does not make you an ATG, because pac wasnt the first one to beat anyone of them.

seriously adding de la hoya at 147 is a joke to anyones resume after he lost to floyd.

cotto is borderline hof, so is ricky hatton. so if you give him the barrerra and de la hoya victories and throw in morales and marquez

thats only four hofers, none of those fighters is considered an atg. just good hof fghters

If Pac is not an ATG I'm not sure what is.

He beat him decisively the very first time.


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How can you call that a decisive win? JMM getting a draw in that fight pretty much makes up for Pac getting the W in the third fight to me. I always thought that was a clear but close Pac win.

[VAGAB0ND]

In my opinion, Floyd Mayweather Jr. is the only fighter to beat Juan Manuel Marquez.

Marquez's first official loss was a ****** D.Q. in his pro debut. Marquez should have won that fight.

Marquez was robbed in his second official loss against Freddie Norwood. Marquez should have got the win.

Marquez was robbed in his first fight against Manny Pacquiao, which was officially a draw. Marquez should have got the win.

Marquez's fight with Chris John should have been a draw, but was officially his third loss. And I'm being generous to Chris John because he was the champ and had the hometown advantage.

Marquez's second fight against Manny Pacquiao was in my opinion another robbery, but since it was the closest of the four fights, I'll say it it should have been a draw. That was Marquez's fourth official loss.

Marquez's fifth official loss was to Floyd Mayweather Jr., which is what I see as Marquez's only legit loss.

Marquez's sixth official loss was a robbery against Manny Pacquiao in their third fight. Marquez should have got the win.

Marquez's seventh official loss was against Timothy Bradley, which I think should have been a draw. And I think I'm being generous to Bradley in this fight too.

I think Marquez's real record is 59W-1L-3D. If you give him wins against Pacquiao II, John and Bradley (Which I think he won all three, but I'm being generous to his opponents), then his record could be 62W-1L-0D.

In my opinion, Marquez is an A.T.G., period.

[Jcsuper]

In my opinion, Floyd Mayweather Jr. is the only fighter to beat Juan Manuel Marquez.

Marquez's first official loss was a ****** D.Q. in his pro debut. Marquez should have won that fight.

Marquez was robbed in his second official loss against Freddie Norwood. Marquez should have got the win.

Marquez was robbed in his first fight against Manny Pacquiao, which was officially a draw. Marquez should have got the win.

Marquez's fight with Chris John should have been a draw, but was officially his third loss. And I'm being generous to Chris John because he was the champ and had the hometown advantage.

Marquez's second fight against Manny Pacquiao was in my opinion another robbery, but since it was the closest of the four fights, I'll say it it should have been a draw. That was Marquez's fourth official loss.

Marquez's fifth official loss was to Floyd Mayweather Jr., which is what I see as Marquez's only legit loss.

Marquez's sixth official loss was a robbery against Manny Pacquiao in their third fight. Marquez should have got the win.

Marquez's seventh official loss was against Timothy Bradley, which I think should have been a draw. And I think I'm being generous to Bradley in this fight too.

I think Marquez's real record is 59W-1L-3D. If you give him wins against Pacquiao II, John and Bradley (Which I think he won all three, but I'm being generous to his opponents), then his record could be 62W-1L-0D.

In my opinion, Marquez is an A.T.G., period.

This right here ^^^^^^

Marquez beat Pacquiao without a doubt in my mind in fight #1, 2 ans 3.

His losses against Norwood and John are bull****. The only guy I can agree that proved to be superior than Marquez is Floyd. So in 63 fights, there is only one i can say for sure he deserved to lose. Also he just destroyed boxingscene's god with a perfectly timed ko.

[BroneloCalvarez]

he's an ATG to me that ill remember as long as I live

there's no official ATG list anyways so who gives an F if people call him that or not really

[Bradley is CRAP]

In my opinion, Floyd Mayweather Jr. is the only fighter to beat Juan Manuel Marquez.

Marquez's first official loss was a ****** D.Q. in his pro debut. Marquez should have won that fight.

Marquez was robbed in his second official loss against Freddie Norwood. Marquez should have got the win.

Marquez was robbed in his first fight against Manny Pacquiao, which was officially a draw. Marquez should have got the win.

Marquez's fight with Chris John should have been a draw, but was officially his third loss. And I'm being generous to Chris John because he was the champ and had the hometown advantage.

Marquez's second fight against Manny Pacquiao was in my opinion another robbery, but since it was the closest of the four fights, I'll say it it should have been a draw. That was Marquez's fourth official loss.

Marquez's fifth official loss was to Floyd Mayweather Jr., which is what I see as Marquez's only legit loss.

Marquez's sixth official loss was a robbery against Manny Pacquiao in their third fight. Marquez should have got the win.

Marquez's seventh official loss was against Timothy Bradley, which I think should have been a draw. And I think I'm being generous to Bradley in this fight too.

I think Marquez's real record is 59W-1L-3D. If you give him wins against Pacquiao II, John and Bradley (Which I think he won all three, but I'm being generous to his opponents), then his record could be 62W-1L-0D.

In my opinion, Marquez is an A.T.G., period.

^^

Typical Marquez bumsniffers, Bradley whipped that juicer Marquez.