JMM is not an ATG

[-MAKAVELLI-]

one big win doesn't make you an ATG...especially if you needed 4 tries and PEDs to do it

[JustinFloyd]

Beat pac 4 times (unofficially). Going to beat him a 5th in September/October.

so that makes Rustico Torrecampo and Chatchai Sasakul ATG coz they only need one meeting to figure out Pac! hahahaha

[Dinamita 03]

one big win doesn't make you an ATG...especially if you needed 4 tries and PEDs to do it

I never understood this argument. Yeah it took Marquez 4 fights to get a decisive win yet in that same span Pacquiao has yet to beat Marquez decisively and he's going to need at least 5 fights to do it.

[ATrillionaire]

I never understood this argument. Yeah it took Marquez 4 fights to get a decisive win yet in that same span Pacquiao has yet to beat Marquez decisively and he's going to need at least 5 fights to do it.

Yea, but Pac has wins over Barrera, DLH, Cotto, Hatton, etc...

[Black Barty]

A hall of famer yes,but not ann ATG

He most know forbhis close loses to an ATG
But is resume to me shows he was a great fighter
And hall of famer .
But not an ATG.
If he is an ATG so is tarver.

Tarver and JMM are in the same light.
Solid HoFers . Now know for finally beating the rivals
As they declined.

Tarver is not a good comparison. He doesn't have much other than the Jones wins, while Marquez has many good wins beyond Pacquiao. And the Roy Jones Tarver beat was clearly past prime, whereas Marquez gave a prime Pacquiao fits. Also, Tarver's losses are less excusable. Marquez's losses came against the very best, and only one of them was decisive.

Tarver is not an ATG, but Marquez arguably (I say arguably, not definitely) is.

[JustinFloyd]

I never understood this argument. Yeah it took Marquez 4 fights to get a decisive win yet in that same span Pacquiao has yet to beat Marquez decisively and he's going to need at least 5 fights to do it.

just simple, aside from Pac, what names you can add on Marquez resume?

[Black Barty]

one big win doesn't make you an ATG...especially if you needed 4 tries and PEDs to do it

Marquez is squeaky clean, he has never tested positive.

Isn't this the same argument you Pac fans used when your idol balked at OST? Or does it only work one way?

[-MAKAVELLI-]

I never understood this argument. Yeah it took Marquez 4 fights to get a decisive win yet in that same span Pacquiao has yet to beat Marquez decisively and he's going to need at least 5 fights to do it.

because JMM doesn't have the names that are already on PAC's resume


i wouldn't call PAC an ATG either if his best wins, aside JMM, was an old ass Casamayor and shot to **** Barrera

[DARKSEID]

Beat pac 4 times (unofficially). Going to beat him a 5th in September/October.

Actually Pacquiao beat Marquez twice, arguably 3 times. Check your contacts max.

[IronDanHamza]

I think so.

It's arguable but the last two Pacquaio fights sealed it for me.