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  • IMDAZED
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    #151
    Originally posted by coghaugen
    'ATG' is subjective nonsense. In hindsight maybe he was better than we thought at the time, but I actually lived through that time as a boxing nut and Hopkins just a body. In fact he was just a body until he fought Trinidad.

    The guy is overrated since Trinidad. Who has he beat? Nobody. Lost twice to Jermain Taylor, the first particularly good fighter he fought in 12 years. Lost to an old Calzaghe, looked **** against an old Winky and shot Jones. Quit against Dawson, and faked injury also against Calzagne and Jones - hardly the sign of a great fighter, is it? The great fighters of the past were turning in their graves.
    Hopkins was ranked in the p4p before he fought Tito. Actually he had been there for years because his skills were very, very impressive and it was clear that he was a couple notches above the other champions in the division.

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      #152
      Originally posted by coghaugen
      'ATG' is subjective nonsense. In hindsight maybe he was better than we thought at the time, but I actually lived through that time as a boxing nut and Hopkins just a body. In fact he was just a body until he fought Trinidad.

      The guy is overrated since Trinidad. Who has he beat? Nobody. Lost twice to Jermain Taylor, the first particularly good fighter he fought in 12 years. Lost to an old Calzaghe, looked **** against an old Winky and shot Jones. Quit against Dawson, and faked injury also against Calzagne and Jones - hardly the sign of a great fighter, is it? The great fighters of the past were turning in their graves.
      No mention of undefeated Pavlik, Cloud, Pascal?

      What about dominating Tarver? KO'ing Glen Johnson...

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        #153
        Originally posted by coghaugen
        'ATG' is subjective nonsense. In hindsight maybe he was better than we thought at the time, but I actually lived through that time as a boxing nut and Hopkins just a body. In fact he was just a body until he fought Trinidad.

        The guy is overrated since Trinidad. Who has he beat? Nobody. Lost twice to Jermain Taylor, the first particularly good fighter he fought in 12 years. Lost to an old Calzaghe, looked **** against an old Winky and shot Jones. Quit against Dawson, and faked injury also against Calzagne and Jones - hardly the sign of a great fighter, is it? The great fighters of the past were turning in their graves.
        The great fighters of the past also lost to top fighters and some to lesser fighters but his position as an ATG is sealed. He is and will be seen as that by historians that way. Nothing you can do about that.

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          #154
          Originally posted by richardt
          The great fighters of the past also lost to top fighters and some to lesser fighters but his position as an ATG is sealed. He is and will be seen as that by historians that way. Nothing you can do about that.
          I believe in 20 years he will be seen as a cartoon clown and childish coward.

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            #155
            Originally posted by BoxingGenius27
            No mention of undefeated Pavlik, Cloud, Pascal? What about dominating Tarver? KO'ing Glen Johnson...
            This Cog guy is completely biased and blind.

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              #156
              Originally posted by coghaugen
              I believe in 20 years he will be seen as a cartoon clown and childish coward.
              Man, you are in full ****** mode. Dream on.

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                #157
                Originally posted by richardt
                This Cog guy is completely biased and blind.
                If he craps on Hopkins and his resume, that must mean Eubank was a bum with 0% shot at prime RJJ; thus proving the point

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                • coghaugen
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                  #158
                  Pavlik, Pascal and Glencoffe were Very limited. Even Carl Froch and Clinton Woods beat Pascal and Glen!

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                    #159
                    Originally posted by IMDAZED
                    Hopkins was ranked in the p4p before he fought Tito. Actually he had been there for years because his skills were very, very impressive and it was clear that he was a couple notches above the other champions in the division.
                    His performance against Glen Johnson was very impressive indeed. I believe that was his peak.

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                      #160
                      Originally posted by coghaugen
                      Pavlik, Pascal and Glencoffe were Very limited. Even Carl Froch and Clinton Woods beat Pascal and Glen!
                      Again, if you feel this way about Hopkins, then you must feel Chris Eubank was absolutely garbage, no?

                      Unless you're saying Eubank is a greater fighter than Hopkins with the greater resume?

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