Why do some posters keep saying Floyd should fight GGG or Martinez at 154?

[Vasyl’s dad]

It's a double standard when you criticize one fighter for not wanting to fight at 154 lbs, all the while NOT criticizing his equivalent at the same time. Keep in mind, both fighters are basically the same damn size.

Yet no one criticizes Pacquaio for 'not taking on greater risk.'

You guys hate to call a spade, a spade. It would be different if you criticized both of them at the same time. I'd respect your opinion/criticism a lot more.

In the past year and a half, Floyd has 2 out of three fights at Jr. Middleweight. Floyd also fought there in 2007.

Manny Pacquiao fought at Jr. Middleweight over three years ago, and never returned.


Its not a double standard considering the circumstances are entirely different. One guy, continues to fight there, while one, only did one time and never returned.

[Sosay]

The same ones who say that, get defensive if you mention Ward. Even though 160 is closer to 168 than 147.

[hugh grant]

Hell he got crucified for fighting Canelo who fights at 154 at 152...so why would he fight a middleweight at 154?? fight would mean nothing and people would just say they were drained which they would be

you should use your common sense and initiative just like Floyd should be using.

Of course Floyd should take the bull by the horns and use his initiative and fight them at 160. But because we know Floyd wont, people request he fights them at 154, not ideal but better than nothing isn't it?

Floyd has delusions of grandeur about where he stands in boxing history, so at least do something that is going to put yourself where you want to be.
At least GGG and Sergio are more talented andfearsome than the Khans and Maidanas of this world

[radioraheem]

In the past year and a half, Floyd has 2 out of three fights at Jr. Middleweight. Floyd also fought there in 2007.

Manny Pacquiao fought at Jr. Middleweight over three years ago, and never returned.

Its not a double standard considering the circumstances are entirely different. One guy, continues to fight there, while one, only did one time and never returned.

It's a double standard. The circumstances are not different because they are the same size. One elite guy has shown that he is WILLING to fight at the weight, while the other elite guy has shown that he is UNWILLING to fight at the weight. Meanwhile, both come into a fight at the same weight on fight night whether it's 154 lbs or 147 lbs. But you don't criticize the one that's unwilling to move up, only the one that has shown willingness to occasionally move up for big draw opponents.

And you're reasoning? Oh because the first guy continues to fight there.

Hypocrisy and comical at the same time.

[radioraheem]

you should use your common sense and initiative just like Floyd should be using.

Of course Floyd should take the bull by the horns and use his initiative and fight them at 160. But because we know Floyd wont, people request he fights them at 154, not ideal but better than nothing isn't it?

Floyd has delusions of grandeur about where he stands in boxing history, so at least do something that is going to put yourself where you want to be.
At least GGG and Sergio are more talented andfearsome than the Khans and Maidanas of this world

Why stop there? Andre Ward wants to fight Mayweather too. And he's considerably better than GGG and Sergio Martinez. Why aren't you asking for an Andre Ward fight instead?

[hugh grant]

It's a double standard. The circumstances are not different because they are the same size. One elite guy has shown that he is WILLING to fight at the weight, while the other elite guy has shown that he is UNWILLING to fight at the weight. Meanwhile, both come into a fight at the same weight on fight night whether it's 154 lbs or 147 lbs. But you don't criticize the one that's unwilling to move up, only the one that has shown willingness to occasionally move up for big draw opponents.

And you're reasoning? Oh because the first guy continues to fight there.

Hypocrisy and comical at the same time.

No its not double standard. How many divisions has Pac won titles in? There has to be a limit to how many divisions you can move up. If Floyd wants to match Pac he has to win a title in super middleweight but more likely middleweight at the very least.

Pac has also fought regularly, year after year, tough completion and is FOTD. So Floyd of course has to make up ground.
If Floyd wants to coast the rest of his career, then it is up to him, but don't hold him back from achieving his potential.

[hugh grant]

Why stop there? Andre Ward wants to fight Mayweather too. And he's considerably better than GGG and Sergio Martinez. Why aren't you asking for an Andre Ward fight instead?

Stop holding Floyd back, set him free from the reigns and shackles. One step at a time, once he loses or wins against GGG or Sergio then he can tackle Ward or not tackle ward.

But get those wins under your belt before tackling Ward. If Floyd chooses to duck the Ward challenge its up to him. He may be content with wins at middleweight against GGG and Sergio.

[radioraheem]

No its not double standard. How many divisions has Pac won titles in? There has to be a limit to how many divisions you can move up. If Floyd wants to match Pac he has to win a title in super middleweight but more likely middleweight at the very least.

Pac has also fought regularly, year after year, tough completion and is FOTD. So Floyd of course has to make up ground.
If Floyd wants to coast the rest of his career, then it is up to him, but don't hold him back from achieving his potential.

Floyd Mayweather doesn't need to match Pacquaio's legacy. And Pacquaio doesn't need to match Floyd Mayweather's legacy. But I do think they NEED to fight each other because it's really the only fight left for either of them.

The maximum limit for both of them is 147 lbs. Floyd Mayweather takes himself into riskier territory going to 154 lbs, when he's already outweighed by opponents at 147 lbs by 15+ lbs on fight night. But none of you talk about that, nor give him credit for it.

Sometimes I don't even see this mentioned about Pacquaio. Many just don't realize how much his opponents outweigh him on fight night. Very few on the forum give either fighters credit for actually fighting in their weight class that they are NATURALLY in, and beating guys that outweigh them by 15+ lbs.

If Pacquaio declines 154 lbs, that is totally fine to me. And I feel he SHOULD decline fights at 154 lbs. He's already disadvantaged fighting at 147 lbs. But at the same time, Mayweather should have the right to decline fights at 154 lbs without criticism too. But nah, you guys drink so much Haterade, you can never call a spade a spade.

[CLUE]

In the end Floyd ended up still getting tons of credit for beating Canelo with the CW. Anyway, fighting either of those guys 154 is better than fights Khan at 147. Even with a CW he would still get more credit than anything he can do fighting Khan.

[boliodogs]

Because he is the holder of the WBA and WBC world titles at 154 even though he won it at a top weight of 152. So any good fighter has a perfect right to challenge him for HIS 154 pound title. If Mayweather thinks he is too small to fight at 154 then he should do the right thing and give up his 154 pound title. He should not just sit on that title and never defend it. This September it will be a full year since he won the title from Canelo so he will be past due to defend that title or step down from the title.