This is exactly why Arum is a cancer and needs to retire!

[The Big Dunn]

This is exactly what the poser fanboys dont understand (amongst everything else)

GB can only commit to a few PPV dates per year and even if Bradley were to get 1-2 of those he is not going to make this kind of money.

The only way Bradley will make that kind of money is by fighting Floyd...he knows this and he also knows that the chances are what they are to get that fight...so he made a calculated decision to stick around and make a fine living.

If he wins and then leaves TR, not for GBP necessarily, hehas a chance to fight men like floyd, broner and danny-men whose fanbases will more easily connect with Tim. This would elevate his profile and likely help him earn more for his fights.

It looks more and more like Todd swindled his wife into believeing tim's only future was with TR. In reality, leaving TR and getting with a new manager/promoter who could help give tim inroads to fans that TR shuns may have benefitted him more.

[jio999]

Well to those who support bob arums point of view I have a question if you agree with bob arum do you feel that fighters like canelo influenced ppv buys when he fought on mayweathers undercard?

[WilkinsOlajuwon]

If he wins and then leaves TR, not for GBP necessarily, hehas a chance to fight men like floyd, broner and danny-men whose fanbases will more easily connect with Tim. This would elevate his profile and likely help him earn more for his fights.

It looks more and more like Todd swindled his wife into believeing tim's only future was with TR. In reality, leaving TR and getting with a new manager/promoter who could help give tim inroads to fans that TR shuns may have benefitted him more.

Floyd is never going to fight Bradley. Lets get real.

And he wont make as much money fighting those other guys. He could take a chance and try to build up his brand name fighting Garcia, Broner, etc, but he'd be passing up a lot of money with no guarantee that he would come out on top.

Its a myth that by just moving to GB everything will work out for him.

[ShoulderRoll]

Floyd is never going to fight Bradley. Lets get real.

Why not? Floyd needs fresh opponents to finish out his Showtime contract. And it's not like he'd be scared of Bradley's light hitting punches.

[The Big Dunn]

Floyd is never going to fight Bradley. Lets get real.

And he wont make as much money fighting those other guys. He could take a chance and try to build up his brand name fighting Garcia, Broner, etc, but he'd be passing up a lot of money with no guarantee that he would come out on top.

Its a myth that by just moving to GB everything will work out for him.

If you truly think that then there is no point to continue discussing.

Its not about wheteher he makes $6 mil. Its about what he would make after the Manny fight if he wins or loses.

If he loses, then he's not getting big money for ruslan or JMM rematches. If he wins, he's not getting anywhere near $6mil for those fights either.

WIn or lose, if he left TR he would have an small opportunity to make more money in part by developing a fanbase thats willing to pay to see him. Staying at TR he has NO opportunity to do this.

[WilkinsOlajuwon]

Why not? Floyd needs fresh opponents to finish out his Showtime contract. And it's not like he'd be scared of Bradley's light hitting punches.

Because Bradley can't sell free money. And until Bradley can prove he can (which may never happen) he wont get a fight with Floyd.

[Adamjr91]

Is UFC still growing in popularity? I won't claim to know, but the hype that once seemed to exist definitely feels to have leveled off.

It has levelled right off. The MMA market has been saturated and it happened a lot quicker than most people thought.

[WilkinsOlajuwon]

If you truly think that then there is no point to continue discussing.

Its not about wheteher he makes $6 mil. Its about what he would make after the Manny fight if he wins or loses.

If he loses, then he's not getting big money for ruslan or JMM rematches. If he wins, he's not getting anywhere near $6mil for those fights either.

WIn or lose, if he left TR he would have an small opportunity to make more money in part by developing a fanbase thats willing to pay to see him. Staying at TR he has NO opportunity to do this.

Since your comments are predominantly pro GB/Floyd/Haymon, I dont think you get to make comments about my position.

Where is this mysterious Golden Boy pot of gold for TB? He's not getting anywhere neear 6 million with anyone but Floyd. And for Floyd to fight TB, TB is going to have to go thru the likes of Garcia, Broner and who knows who else to build up his profile--and there is still no guarantee TB could become a big enough name. Like you said, a small chance. "NO" chance to do that at TR? thats a reach considering Bradley is more popular now than when he moved over from Shaw. He also remains on a network that reaches more homes.

There is not ideal situation for TB, and thats what people dont get.

[The Big Dunn]

Since your comments are predominantly pro GB/Floyd/Haymon, I dont think you get to make comments about my position.

Where is this mysterious Golden Boy pot of gold for TB? He's not getting anywhere neear 6 million with anyone but Floyd. And for Floyd to fight TB, TB is going to have to go thru the likes of Garcia, Broner and who knows who else to build up his profile--and there is still no guarantee TB could become a big enough name. Like you said, a small chance. "NO" chance to do that at TR? thats a reach considering Bradley is more popular now than when he moved over from Shaw. He also remains on a network that reaches more homes.

There is not ideal situation for TB, and thats what people dont get.

No they are not pro anything. I never said he had to go to GBP. I said Haymon because, lets face it, Haymon get great money for his fighters.

If Tim beats Manny and is an undefeated ww champ, he will not ave to go through them. He will get the floyd fight immediately if for no other reason than to finally have a consensus lineal ww champ. The broner and danny fights will come after.

We agree there is no ideal situation for tim. SO from my perspective he has 2 choices (assuming he didn't have to resign with TR to get the manny fight as he said)

-resign with TR to get the $6 mil gurantee pluss ppv for manny and then whatever else down the road.
-leave TR and see what else is out there.

I agree that tim should've taken option #1 because winning isn't guaranteed.

If he loses to manny, he made a smart long term decsision. If he wins, especially by KO or clear UD, he made a terrible long term decision.

Its not about signing with GBP, its about finding ways to increase your own value so you don't have to rely on floyd manny fights to take care of your family.

[way2strong]

Since your comments are predominantly pro GB/Floyd/Haymon, I dont think you get to make comments about my position.

Where is this mysterious Golden Boy pot of gold for TB? He's not getting anywhere neear 6 million with anyone but Floyd. And for Floyd to fight TB, TB is going to have to go thru the likes of Garcia, Broner and who knows who else to build up his profile--and there is still no guarantee TB could become a big enough name. Like you said, a small chance. "NO" chance to do that at TR? thats a reach considering Bradley is more popular now than when he moved over from Shaw. He also remains on a network that reaches more homes.

There is not ideal situation for TB, and thats what people dont get.

think about a devon alexander and how he never got a floyd shot when he was on top of his game..UFC dropped in ratings by almost 30-40%... no one gives a *** about undercards but they are a plus if stacked arums rights