Danny "Swift" Garcia P4P Top 10?

[daggum]

But is he a more proven lhw than Dawson? Is he the lineal champion? Has Kovalev even fought anyone on the same level of a Dawson? Or beaten more champions? No no no, so no, Kovalev is not needed for Stevenson to be rated a top 10 p4p.

Simple as that.

dawson was more damaged than a pinto after slamming into a wall and exploding. kovalev is in his prime. should stevenson fight roy jones as well to prove how great he is?

[QballLobo]

I look at P4P as a what have you done for me lately type list. Too often fighters stay on the list because of name recognition or legacy.
With that criteria Danny Garcia is definitely on my P4P list. He has been the underdog more time than not and won some big fights people didn't think he would win.
He has good wins against Judah, Khan, Lucas and is currently the man at 140.
I would put him in the 4-8 range based on recent history.

[daggum]

for garcia's next ring entrance he needs to come out wearing an orange jump suit, driving a yellow lamborghini while drinking a 40. everyone does it so why not?

[Black Barty]

But is he a more proven lhw than Dawson? Is he the lineal champion? Has Kovalev even fought anyone on the same level of a Dawson? Or beaten more champions? No no no, so no, Kovalev is not needed for Stevenson to be rated a top 10 p4p.

Simple as that.

My asnwers to the first three questions: Yes, Who cares, Yes.

And a win over Kovalev is absolutely needed for Stevenson to even be in consideration for the P4P list. Wins over a "lineal champ" who was coming out of a loss and built his entire career on beating 40 year olds and a joke of a contender who kept getting embarrassed ever since he stepped up to world level aren't enough to earn a P4P ranking.

[VG_Addict]

Totally disagree and at this stage in their respective careers, the Dawson that Stevenson destroyed had achieved more than what Kovalev has done to date. Why is the Kovalev win needed for a top 10 p4p ranking?

Stevenson has one of the best recent runs and on top of that, looking at things in a true p4p sense, there's not too many fighters I see can beat Stevenson in the the upper echelons of any division...let alone ten more.

Dawson was coming off a loss to Ward, in a fight where he was badly weight-drained. Cloud and Bellew are B level fighters at best. Cloud got his ass kicked by ancient Hopkins, and Bellew lost to Cleverly, who Kovalev beat the **** out of. Let's face it, the LHW division isn't exactly filled to the brim with talent, even with Kovalev, Stevenson, and Hopkins.

[trixx12]

Danny "low Blow" Garcia is not a top10 p4p fighter at all.

[champion4ever]

I will have to say no he is not at the current moment. The reason being is that he has only defeated just one legitimate titleholder at 140 and that was against a badly faded Erik Morales; Who by the way won that vacant WBC title bout, in an fight he didn't deserve. Moreover, it was against one of the more weaker title contenders in that division. Losses against several current washed out and faded fighters like Erik Morales, Paulie Malignaggi and Shane Mosley all confirms this point.

In addition, Danny Garcia victory over Amir Khan, while a very significant one was overrated as well because Amir was not the universally recognized champion at 140 at the time but Lamont Peterson was. He officially defeated Amir Khan for that 140 lb championship and WBA title back in December 2011 but was subsequently stripped of it perhaps due to some back room deal.

So the WBA decided to award Khan with a sham belt that he didn't deserve due to some technicality which in my opinion was both improper and absurd. Lamont Peterson was the official and rightful owner of that WBA title but had it wrongfully taken away from him without following proper protocol.

Lastly, as far as the Zab Judah and Lucas Matthysse fights are concerned; In my opinion they were both irrelevant because neither had titles at the time and both had losses on their records while the other was a total shot fighter. Therefore it is my opinion that this kind of resume doesn't merit a top 10 P4P ranking.

[teddycanyon]

I will have to say no he is not at the current moment. The reason being is that he has only defeated just one legitimate titleholder at 140 and that was against a badly faded Erik Morales; Who by the way won that vacant WBC title bout, in an fight he didn't deserve. Moreover, it was against one of the more weaker title contenders in that division. Losses against several current washed out and faded fighters like Erik Morales, Paulie Malignaggi and Shane Mosley all confirms this point.

In addition, Danny Garcia victory over Amir Khan, while a very significant one was overrated as well because Amir was not the universally recognized champion at 140 at the time but Lamont Peterson was. He officially defeated Amir Khan for that 140 lb championship and WBA title back in December 2011 but was subsequently stripped of it perhaps due to some back room deal.

So the WBA decided to award Khan with a sham belt that he didn't deserve due to some technicality which in my opinion was both improper and absurd. Lamont Peterson was the official and rightful owner of that WBA title but had it wrongfully taken away from him without following proper protocol.

Lastly, as far as the Zab Judah and Lucas Matthysse fights are concerned; In my opinion they were both irrelevant because neither had titles at the time and both had losses on their records while the other was a total shot fighter. Therefore it is my opinion that this kind of resume doesn't merit a top 10 P4P ranking.

Amir Khan probably should have gotten the decision against Peterson anyway. And how could you say the Matthysse win was irrelevant? The guy was a total beast and he destroyed Peterson in three rounds, the only reason it wasn't a title fight was because Golden Boy would only make the fight if the title wasn't on the line. Judah wasn't really washed up either when facing Garcia, he actually gave one of his best performances in years, Garcia was just the better fighter for the first nine rounds of that fight. And though Morales was not as his best, he was coming off a very good performance against Maidana and a win over Pablo Cesar Cano—who turned out to be a very respectable welterweight contender. Garcia deserves some credit for that win too.
He has a good resume, deserving of a spot in the p4p top ten.

[Black Barty]

I will have to say no he is not at the current moment. The reason being is that he has only defeated just one legitimate titleholder at 140 and that was against a badly faded Erik Morales; Who by the way won that vacant WBC title bout, in an fight he didn't deserve. Moreover, it was against one of the more weaker title contenders in that division. Losses against several current washed out and faded fighters like Erik Morales, Paulie Malignaggi and Shane Mosley all confirms this point.

In addition, Danny Garcia victory over Amir Khan, while a very significant one was overrated as well because Amir was not the universally recognized champion at 140 at the time but Lamont Peterson was. He officially defeated Amir Khan for that 140 lb championship and WBA title back in December 2011 but was subsequently stripped of it perhaps due to some back room deal.

So the WBA decided to award Khan with a sham belt that he didn't deserve due to some technicality which in my opinion was both improper and absurd. Lamont Peterson was the official and rightful owner of that WBA title but had it wrongfully taken away from him without following proper protocol.

Lastly, as far as the Zab Judah and Lucas Matthysse fights are concerned; In my opinion they were both irrelevant because neither had titles at the time and both had losses on their records while the other was a total shot fighter. Therefore it is my opinion that this kind of resume doesn't merit a top 10 P4P ranking.

Dude... No offense but this post reeks of ignorance.

1) What's with this obsession with titles? How exactly is the Matthysse win irrelevant? Matthysse destroyed Peterson in a fight that was non-title for some strange reason.

2) Peterson wasn't stripped of the WBA title "due to some backroom deal". It was because he tested positive for anabolic testostherone before the planned Khan rematch, and admitted to using it before the first Khan fight.

3) If you think the Judah that fought Garcia was shot, you don't know what a shot fighter is.

[Box-Office]

lately p4p means are you a popular golden boy fighter? if so you are on the list.

Atleast thats what i make of Canelo's #9 spot