Vitali Klitschko has won 215 rds.......

[KBRO]

So because McCall and Rahman got lucky KO's they are better than Lennox, or should be seen as ATG's because they beat Lennox once before getting dominated completely in rematches? Ok Lewis was older, and fairly inactive - I DONT DISPUTE THESE FACTS, yet he was still coming off his career defining win v a shot Tyson, and at 37 was at barely past peak for most heavyweights. Fat? He was a few pounds off his usual fighting weights, and if anything that increased bulk actually probably kept him on his feet. Sure, it will have caused some detrimental effect in terms of stamina but in terms of strength and power it may have actually helped - if he had been able to bully Vitali physically and stopped him convincingly people would be saying that it was a clever ploy for fighting a bigger man.

Smart man.

[daggum]

I'm pretty sure.. I can come up with at least two fighters for each of them that Vitali Ko'ed & they couldn't.. off the top of my head.. McCall COULDN'T ko Gomez.

except people don't go around saying mccall is the most dominating biggest puncher in heavyweight history now do they......

do you see any difference between ko'ing lewis and ko'ing gomez? seriously just think about that for a second.

[daggum]

So because McCall and Rahman got lucky KO's they are better than Lennox, or should be seen as ATG's because they beat Lennox once before getting dominated completely in rematches? Ok Lewis was older, and fairly inactive - I DONT DISPUTE THESE FACTS, yet he was still coming off his career defining win v a shot Tyson, and at 37 was at barely past peak for most heavyweights. Fat? He was a few pounds off his usual fighting weights, and if anything that increased bulk actually probably kept him on his feet. Sure, it will have caused some detrimental effect in terms of stamina but in terms of strength and power it may have actually helped - if he had been able to bully Vitali physically and stopped him convincingly people would be saying that it was a clever ploy for fighting a bigger man.

when did i say they were better than lewis? oh never. ok then. they were able to ko lewis and the biggest ko artist in boxing history wasn't able to do it. he wasn't able to ko byrd either. he was only able to ko the stiff blobs that were put in front of him and not the good fighters. get the picture?

career defining win over a completely shot tyson? do you know sh-it about boxing?

yes fat. he looked like he was storing up food in his love handles for hibernation during the winter.

[KBRO]

does wbc equal lineal? no. get your facts straight. he had 3 lineal fights(the equivalent to being the real champ throughout boxing history) and he went 2-1. having just the wbc doesn't mean squat when their are 4 total belts. do you want to compare how many lineal fights a guy like louis, ali, holmes, tyson, etc...had compared to vitali? even michael spinks had 5 and went 4-1. he also beat an all time great. michael spinks just as a heavyweight is clearly much greater than vitali klitschko.

First off.. Lewis had that belt ONLY when he retired.. so what you're telling everyone is once Vitali got a hold of it.. it lost immediate value.. belts were fragmented long before Vitali got hold of the Wbc belt... THEY WERE FRAGMENTED when Vitali officially retired Lewis & then Vitali won it by beating the hell out of Sanders.... & except for a couple of retirements has NEVER given it up since in the ring... this lineal crap is all about timing.. Vitali won 10 of 13 rds cumulatively vs Lewis & Sanders for it & deserved to own it.. All lineage now LEADS to a Klitschko so no worries... jokester!

[PainfromUkraine]

except people don't go around saying mccall is the most dominating biggest puncher in heavyweight history now do they......

Lol, exactly - because a lucky win v a fairly green ATG doesn't make you an ATG yourself, you need to either back it up or subsidise with beating everyone that you come up against in convincing fashion, barring any unlucky circumstances or instances; this is exactly what Vitali has done in his career, the stats back it up. I don't think anyone can say or is saying he is the biggest puncher ever - he is perhaps the most efficient champion at knocking out his competition, but this does not mean he is the most powerful or devastating puncher ever, the stat is simply a fact of what he achieved, IMO people with far more fights and thus KOs should, and generally are, seen as the heaviest punchers.

[Bermuda]

vitali definitely one of the greatest heavyweights of all time.....history will treat him kindly ...

[KBRO]

except people don't go around saying mccall is the most dominating biggest puncher in heavyweight history now do they......

Vitali has FAILED to ko ONLY 6 men & HE WAS robbed of one KO vs Briggs.. so anyone can find some common opposition where one has faired better against a certain opponent.. these opponents you mentioned fought Lewis twice & did better & worse than Vitali.. so that's a little misleading & both FAILED to retire Lewis like Vitali did.. so works both ways.. Lewis TKO'ED Briggs.. Vitali hospitalized him... if anything Vitali's performances reap long term benefits.. coincidentially Briggs & Lewis HAVE NEVER FOUGHT AGAIN once they went Vitali.. so all in how you look at it.

[daggum]

Lol, exactly - Yep, because a lucky win v a fairly green ATG doesn't make you an ATG yourself, you need to either back it up or subsidise with beating everyone that you come up against in convincing fashion, barring any unlucky circumstances or instances; this is exactly what Vitali has done in his career, the stats back it up. I don't think anyone can say or is saying he is the biggest puncher ever - he is perhaps the most efficient champion at knocking out his competition, but this does not mean he is the most powerful or devastating puncher ever, the stat is simply a fact of what he achieved, IMO people with far more fights and thus KOs should, and generally are, seen as the heaviest punchers.

what's worth more. a ko win over lewis or a ko win over gomez? to you it seems like every ko win is the same regardless of competition. the fact that vitali couldn't ko the 2 best fighters he fought goes right over your head and you go back to "but vitali ko'd so many bums like obed sullivan, ed malone, herbie hide, etc...."

[PainfromUkraine]

what's worth more. a ko win over lewis or a ko win over gomez? to you it seems like every ko win is the same regardless of competition. the fact that vitali couldn't ko the 2 best fighters he fought goes right over your head and you go back to "but vitali ko'd so many bums like obed sullivan, ed malone, herbie hide, etc...."

I think you are either trolling, having visions or confusing me with the OP. In none of my posts here have I mentioned EVEN 1 name, so whatever you are quoting is not from me. So furthermore I won't even cover your other points about what I think...make sure to check your facts about what I actually said.

And ok, so you are trying to say Rahman or McCall are higher in the all-time HW rankings than Vitali? Clearly they are not, never will be, so your point is false, a lucky punch KO which anyone can attain at heavyweight followed by a worse loss than the original win in a rematch is clearly not better than consistent and continued dominance, in the long term...

[KBRO]

what's worth more. a ko win over lewis or a ko win over gomez? to you it seems like every ko win is the same regardless of competition. the fact that vitali couldn't ko the 2 best fighters he fought goes right over your head and you go back to "but vitali ko'd so many bums like obed sullivan, ed malone, herbie hide, etc...."

he failed to stop both but won 12 of the 15 rds that were fought... you can dismiss this all you want but he did fairly well when he was ACTUALLY fighting them in the rds that were fought. he failed to complete those fights & that's why he's got two ko defeats on his ledger.. he threw more punches.. landed more punches.. threw & landed more jabs & landed & threw more power shots than both so this is a case of the official results NOT telling the true tales of the tape & all of you know it.