IBF appeal may force Froch into Groves rematch

[IronDanHamza]

We've had this discussion before. Of course his face begins to swell after the fight. That's the natural cause of any face that has taken punishment. Seeing as Groves is very pale skinned, it doesn't take much for him to get a couple of black eyes, as we have seen from pretty much all of his previous fights and even sparring.

In the midst of the fight, Groves' face was no worse than what you would expect any other face to be when they are in a world title fight against an established champion.

The notion that he is not allowed to take any shots to the face is a silly one. Because he gets a black eye from the first shot that lands.

He wasn't wobbling around. about 10 seconds before the stoppage he was in his usual stance - and had been on the ropes after that. He didn't even have time to wobble around the ring!

He wasn't badly hurt. I think it's your bias for Froch that lets your eyes deceive you. He was good to continue.

His face absolutely was not what you'd expect any fighter in a world title fight to have.

His face was a mess, his face has never been that bad. You're just not with reality if you think otherwise.

He still had facial damage still days later after the fight Pale skin or not that's the sign of a guy who's taken a lot of punishment.

Where have I said he shouldn't take any punches? Obviously he's going to take punches but he took a lot of punches, a lot of hard punches.

He was wobbling around. He staggered back into the ropes, sagged into them and staggering forward with his head looking at the floor.

Again I don't know how many times I have to say that it was a bad stoppage. It was.

No where near the worst, there's probably been worse last year alone.

And nothing to warrant an appeal.

Why? Look the few seconds before the fight was stopped and tell me he didn't get off the ropes to try and push Froch back before the ref jumps in.

Who cares if it was off the ropes? That doesn't matter. He was on the ropes for 5 seconds whilst still firing back. I mean that notion is just ridiculous. Lots of people fight off the ropes, that's nothing new.

Nope, he was in a state of unconsciousness. There's not excuse for Groves being stopped in that fight. no excuse.

He wasn't doing anything he was surviving, looking at the floor. He wasn't thinking anything. He was firing back because he knows he was close to being stopped so firing back would prevent that. He was absolutely not "pushing him back" at all. That's quite the bizarre observation.

Again, you're talking about Groves being stopped. I don't think he should have been stopped. Said that numerous times.

What I think ridiculous is his attempt to appeal it. He has no leg to stand on.

His face looked like he'd been jumped by 5 football hooligans, he was hurt and staggering at the time of the stoppage.

He has absolutely no chance of winning it, and the Board of Control have already said as much.

[IronDanHamza]

Lol. no one is saying that. And what does it have to do with Hayemaker?

That's a child's excuse.

But if you want to go into punishment:

You did say that though.

You said that Groves didn't take any punishment and that Froch barely landed anything in the fight.

[IronDanHamza]

I didn't say it was a flash knockdown. Why are you getting so emotional? He was clearly hurt but got up and recovered quickly. Please point me to the moment in the fight where Froch was sagging into the ropes and being hit repeatedly clean then stumbling around the ring with no legs?

He genuinely doesn't think that happened though

He might have changed his mind now but he also genuinely believed that Groves took no punishment in the fight and the only reason his face looked like a mess is because his skin's pale.

[LacedUp]

His face absolutely was not what you'd expect any fighter in a world title fight to have.

His face was a mess, his face has never been that bad. You're just not with reality if you think otherwise.

He still had facial damage still days later after the fight Pale skin or not that's the sign of a guy who's taken a lot of punishment.

Where have I said he shouldn't take any punches? Obviously he's going to take punches but he took a lot of punches, a lot of hard punches.

He was wobbling around. He staggered back into the ropes, sagged into them and staggering forward with his head looking at the floor.

Again I don't know how many times I have to say that it was a bad stoppage. It was.

No where near the worst, there's probably been worse last year alone.

And nothing to warrant an appeal.

He wasn't doing anything he was surviving, looking at the floor. He wasn't thinking anything. He was firing back because he knows he was close to being stopped so firing back would prevent that. He was absolutely not "pushing him back" at all. That's quite the bizarre observation.

Again, you're talking about Groves being stopped. I don't think he should have been stopped. Said that numerous times.

What I think ridiculous is his attempt to appeal it. He has no leg to stand on.

His face looked like he'd been jumped by 5 football hooligans, he was hurt and staggering at the time of the stoppage.

He has absolutely no chance of winning it, and the Board of Control have already said as much.

His face during the fight resembled a fighter that was in a tough fight. He wasn't cut, didn't have a swollen eye or closed eye or anything that would make you say that guy took too much punishment.

Wobbling around? He backed into the ropes. At no point did he do a David price or an Amir Khan. You are exaggerating what happened to him.

He did not have facial damage days after the fight. We had this discussion before. I showed you a picture from the day after the fight where most of the damage was completely gone.

If he didn't have any legs, he wouldn't be able to get off the ropes to push Froch. Or try to, right before it got stopped. But he did.

It might be ridiculous to appeal it, but if he couldn't appeal it they should close the panel down.

You did say that though.

You said that Groves didn't take any punishment and that Froch barely landed anything in the fight.

I said I didn't think punishment was the right word to use. I've never said he didn't take any punches.

Being punished to me is what Pacquaio did to Margarito. This was just a scrap where both fighters took there fair share, one just took way more than the other.

[LacedUp]

I didn't say it was a flash knockdown. Why are you getting so emotional? He was clearly hurt but got up and recovered quickly. Please point me to the moment in the fight where Froch was sagging into the ropes and being hit repeatedly clean then stumbling around the ring with no legs?

Lol emotional? What are you talking about?
You said like: "sure he got knocked down. He took his count, got up and continued". That wasn't exactly what happened. His eyes were completely gone when he went down, his legs were clearly unsteady and he stumbled when he got up.

Are you suggesting Groves was more hurt than that?

He genuinely doesn't think that happened though

He might have changed his mind now but he also genuinely believed that Groves took no punishment in the fight and the only reason his face looked like a mess is because his skin's pale.

Lol at the piggyback ride you just took there. I have not changed my mind from the first time I saw the fight. Groves dominated Froch in pretty much every round.

Of course he took his shots, but at no point in the fight was Froch just unloading unanswered clean shots at Groves. The effect of the punches Groves take are exaggerated by his pale skin. Anyone who denies that, doesn't know what he's talking about.

Do you think his face was worse than Frochs?

[IronDanHamza]

His face during the fight resembled a fighter that was in a tough fight. He wasn't cut, didn't have a swollen eye or closed eye or anything that would make you say that guy took too much punishment.

He didn't have swollen eye?????? Both of his eyes were badly swollen.

Who has said "He took too much punishment"?

You keep talking about **** no one's said.

Wobbling around? He backed into the ropes. At no point did he do a David price or an Amir Khan. You are exaggerating what happened to him.

Why is it either nothing, or the complete extreme? Is there no middle ground?

Khan goes to bambi legs. He wasn't like Khan but he was obviously not on steady legs.

He did not have facial damage days after the fight. We had this discussion before. I showed you a picture from the day after the fight where most of the damage was completely gone.

You actually didn't show me anything

This is his face the next day;



I wouldn't say most of the damage is gone there to me He did another interview the next day and looked the same.

He then went on Ringside a whole 4 days later and still had some bruising you could see through the make up.

Show this picture you uploaded the day after where all the damage is gone.

If he didn't have any legs, he wouldn't be able to get off the ropes to push Froch. Or try to, right before it got stopped. But he did.

It might be ridiculous to appeal it, but if he couldn't appeal it they should close the panel down.

You're just not with reality if you genuinely believe this is what happened.

He was looking at the floor.

I said I didn't think punishment was the right word to use. I've never said he didn't take any punches.

Being punished to me is what Pacquaio did to Margarito. This was just a scrap where both fighters took there fair share, one just took way more than the other.

What Pacquaio did to Margarito was a slaughter. Only that extent is punishment?

You did say he didn't take any punches You actually did. You said something along the lines of "Groves slipped and blocked most of Froch's shots and barely took any punches" and also that "He took no punishment at all".

[IronDanHamza]

Lol at the piggyback ride you just took there. I have not changed my mind from the first time I saw the fight. Groves dominated Froch in pretty much every round.

What? I don't understand.

And Groves didn't dominate Froch in every round

Of course he took his shots, but at no point in the fight was Froch just unloading unanswered clean shots at Groves. The effect of the punches Groves take are exaggerated by his pale skin. Anyone who denies that, doesn't know what he's talking about.

Not at all.

He has pale skin and that will have an affect but not to the extent where he had the face he did. You need to take a lot of punches to have a face like that.

I know first hand, I have very pale skin myself.

Do you think his face was worse than Frochs?

No I don't.

What's that got to do with anything?

[Sugar Adam Ali]

With all the back n forth on this thread,,, A rematch is a must,,, This is easily one of the top 10 fights to make in 2014

Nothing sells a fight better than a percieved controversy

[IronDanHamza]

With all the back n forth on this thread,,, A rematch is a must,,, This is easily one of the top 10 fights to make in 2014

Nothing sells a fight better than a percieved controversy

Obviously.

A rematch is an obvious route.

Here's what it is;

The fight was stopped early. That's obvious.

But putting in an appeal is absurd. There's much worse stoppages where the guy stopped early wouldn't even think to appeal let alone this one.

He's got literally no chance what so ever of winning it. Not a single part of a chance.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

Obviously.

A rematch is an obvious route.

Here's what it is;

The fight was stopped early. That's obvious.

But putting in an appeal is absurd. There's much worse stoppages where the guy stopped early wouldn't even think to appeal let alone this one.

He's got literally no chance what so ever of winning it. Not a single part of a chance.

I agree the fight was stopped premature,, ref should have just let froch finish him, and the irony is, if the ref had let froch finish groves, then we would all be talking about froch's great comeback vs the youngster, and how much of a gutty performance froch gave, he is a warrior, etc... But let the ref stop it early, and all we hear is froch is washed up, froch got owned, froch is lucky, etc..
Its amazing how one small thing can totally twist the public's perception