IBF appeal may force Froch into Groves rematch

[yoz]

When? He got knocked down and was hurt badly but he got up and was given a proper count.

I don't remember any other points in the fight where Froch was sagging into the ropes taking clean shots and stumbling forward with his head down.

Hayemaker fans think otherwise.



Froch didn't land anything; Groves took no punishment...:

[Daddy T]

I'm not sure why froch fans are so ********* that they don't want the fight. If they believe in their man surely they would want him to give george a proper beat down with no controversy or question marks attached so they won't have to spent the next ten years listening to 'froch ducked groves'

if on the otherhand they think froch might lose the rematch then it's understandable ... a a dodgy stoppage win is better than a loss afterall...

[LacedUp]

So you're sitting here arguing about **** you aren't even sure about?

You're no stranger to that one, are you?

That interview was right after the fight no more than half an hour after and his face is a state.

He was wobbling/staggering around the ring.

And he was badly hurt.

He was all of those things and either you're refusing to admit it or your eyes are deceiving you.

Either way, when all these things apply it's pretty ridiculous to appeal and I doubt he even expects to win it's so ridiculous.

We've had this discussion before. Of course his face begins to swell after the fight. That's the natural cause of any face that has taken punishment. Seeing as Groves is very pale skinned, it doesn't take much for him to get a couple of black eyes, as we have seen from pretty much all of his previous fights and even sparring.

In the midst of the fight, Groves' face was no worse than what you would expect any other face to be when they are in a world title fight against an established champion.

The notion that he is not allowed to take any shots to the face is a silly one. Because he gets a black eye from the first shot that lands.

He wasn't wobbling around. about 10 seconds before the stoppage he was in his usual stance - and had been on the ropes after that. He didn't even have time to wobble around the ring!

He wasn't badly hurt. I think it's your bias for Froch that lets your eyes deceive you. He was good to continue.

Pushing Froch back? You need to stop with that one.

Pushing him back by what? Stumbling forward looking at the floor?

Froch took solid blows but he was never in a situation where he was being unloaded on against the ropes whilst hurt like Groves was.

Again not saying it should have been stopped because it shouldn't but there's been so many worse stoppages. So many.

Why? Look the few seconds before the fight was stopped and tell me he didn't get off the ropes to try and push Froch back before the ref jumps in.

Who cares if it was off the ropes? That doesn't matter. He was on the ropes for 5 seconds whilst still firing back. I mean that notion is just ridiculous. Lots of people fight off the ropes, that's nothing new.

Nope, he was in a state of unconsciousness. There's not excuse for Groves being stopped in that fight. no excuse.

[SN!PER]

Make it happen but bring Mills Lane back into boxing as the referee this time.

[LacedUp]

Hayemaker fans think otherwise.

Froch didn't land anything; Groves took no punishment...

Lol. no one is saying that. And what does it have to do with Hayemaker?

That's a child's excuse.

But if you want to go into punishment:

[Dirk Diggler UK]

Hayemaker fans think otherwise.



Froch didn't land anything; Groves took no punishment...:

Oh look its Groves "pushing Froch back"

You're no stranger to that one, are you?

Well that's twice in a matter of days you've had to bumble*** your way back to check facts after spouting bull****. So can you explain to me a time when I've done that?

[M Bison]

Ward-Froch would always be there in my opinion.

Whether Froch loses or not, I still reckon they would stick him on PPV if he fought Ward.

Froch always has that casual friendly boxing style that most will appreciate so I agree with you there but apart from that he is a bit of a **** outside of the ring aswell as in it, personally the only PPV I'd pay to see Is Froch vs Groves or?? well yeah for me its Groves or I'm not paying.

Groves is appealing for what? Getting stopped when he was badly hurt and taking clean punches in a British ring? LOL....there's been FAR worse stoppages than that - see Kenny Anderson vs George Groves.

The judges didn't do their jobs properly in the DeGale fight. I think 2 of them scored the 12th for Groves which he clearly lost and it gave him the fight by 1 point. Very suspect.

Groves is appealing for a biased refereeing job, how can you justify a fighter consistently taking big right hands flush off the face for how many rounds?
Yet as soon as Froch throws a couple of arm punch flurries suddenly the referee NEEDS to step in?

The difference between Groves vs Degale and Groves vs Frock was DeGale had the opportunity to fight until the final bell and was given the chance to try and nick the fight but he just simply didn't do enough whereas the Frock fight was prematurely stopped we never got to see a fair ending.
Sometimes fighter need to bite down on the gumshield and grit out a tough round, Froch had one or two good rounds and that was justifiable to stop the fight?
Get real.

[Citizen Koba]

Apparently Groves is appealing on ref bias - something he won't win. It could be argued (and should be) that the ref made a bad call, but that's a different thing - the ref is in the ring with the fighters and has the very best view of the fighters and the condition they are in.

It's not down to the commentary team, viewers or even judges to call stoppages for a very good reason. Bear in mind this fight was also very shortly after the Mago tragedy when a fighter who appeared to fighting the good fight to the end ended up comatose and likely permanently and severely damaged.

[Citizen Koba]

Froch always has that casual friendly boxing style that most will appreciate so I agree with you there but apart from that he is a bit of a **** outside of the ring aswell as in it, personally the only PPV I'd pay to see Is Froch vs Groves or?? well yeah for me its Groves or I'm not paying.



Groves is appealing for a biased refereeing job, how can you justify a fighter consistently taking big right hands flush off the face for how many rounds?
Yet as soon as Froch throws a couple of arm punch flurries suddenly the referee NEEDS to step in?

Stoppages aren't supposed to be about how many shots a fighter appears to have taken, but how well they seem able to defend themselves - it wasn't the first time in the fight (in fact not the first time in 30 seconds) that Groves had looked wobbled and unsteady on his feet looking to hold - I'm not going to argue that it was a good stoppage but the criteria is always how badly a fighter appears hurt, not how many times they've been hit.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

Groves is appealing for a biased refereeing job, how can you justify a fighter consistently taking big right hands flush off the face for how many rounds?
Yet as soon as Froch throws a couple of arm punch flurries suddenly the referee NEEDS to step in?

The difference between Groves vs Degale and Groves vs Frock was DeGale had the opportunity to fight until the final bell and was given the chance to try and nick the fight but he just simply didn't do enough whereas the Frock fight was prematurely stopped we never got to see a fair ending.
Sometimes fighter need to bite down on the gumshield and grit out a tough round, Froch had one or two good rounds and that was justifiable to stop the fight?
Get real.

DeGale given the chance? When was DeGale ever hurt? LOL....Groves was the only one hurt in that fight.

The difference is that Froch wasn't sagging against the ropes taking clean shots and then stumbling forward with his head down. At what point in the fight did Froch look like Groves did at the end?

Once again, I never said it wasn't an early stoppage but to try and suggest Groves wasn't taking clean punches and wasn't badly hurt is delusional beyond belief.