when it comes to pure defensive ability

[A-Wolf]

Agree. Floyd is all about distance and his guard. Pernell was the more versatile defender.

And Pernell was the better mover in the ring. Moving around and getting your back pinned to the ropes doesn't equal great movement. Obviously, Floyd's a great mover, but Pernell could move, and stay in the same spot, not get hit, then move completely out.

Absolutely.

[J The UnBiased]

Slow being the optimal word. Slow of foot, that is. And yes, he does seem to make them look just like punching bags, doesn't he?

That isn't because he's Houdini. He's Allen Iverson going to town on the all White squad from Hoosiers.

I know right. It's cool to forget that the same moves Iverson was able to pull off on sub par athletes, he was able to pull off those exact same moves on Michael. It's cool to ignore that though, I understand lol. Iverson only shined against "Hoosiers".

[BUNGALOWS]

Absolutely.

The man would have you going in directions he wants you to go in, and be on the completely other side of you, and walking off while doing a little dance. That's called movement.

[J The UnBiased]

That shit is craaaaazy man lol. Mufuckas really hate Floyd. Like he is absolutely nothing when it comes to polls and comparisons. Gotta beat em somehow.

[J The UnBiased]

Insert statement about Whitaker, proceed to ignore that Floyd does and can do the exact same thing

[BUNGALOWS]

That shit is craaaaazy man lol. Mufuckas really hate Floyd. Like he is absolutely nothing when it comes to polls and comparisons. Gotta beat em somehow.

Why are you mad? You said Pernell is your favorite fighter, and people are saying he's the better defensive fighter. How is this a Floyd hate thread? We're voicing out opinions on who we think is the better defender.

[Slip Stream]

We're talking about peak 4 peak, defense. I gave you an example of an out of prime Whitaker vs. a prime Oscar, and a prime Floyd vs. out of prime Oscar.

How are you even twisting this?

I don't care how he looked against certain fighters.

Floyd looked like crap against JLC, and Pernell shut out a JCC Sr. What's your point?

Pernell's shown at his best, no drugs, no BS, no outside the ring stuff, that his peak defensive abilities are unmatched.

You can't cherry pick a few fights, and act like that's what made Pernell. I guess Floyd sucks because Chop Chop, Zab and Shane rocked him. You see how dumb that sounds?

I disagree, a coked up Whitaker did great against De La Hoya, but Mayweather was hit less and landed more. The fight wasn't as close as some try to suggest. In my opinion, looking at both fighters over their careers I believe Mayweather to be the more skilled overall.

Mayweather's style of defense comes with virtually zero liability as opposed to Whitaker's style which came with the highest degree of defensive liability possible. Pea would stand on a dime and let a world class professional try and tee off on him with a five or six punch combination. Floyd creates great distance from his opponent even if it's a single solitary punch being directed at him. He's halfway across the ring most of the time his opponent is letting off. Mayweather isn't in the same class with Whitaker. Not even.

I don't completely agree, I do agree that Sweet Pea would stand right in the pocket and make his opponents miss, it was a thing to behold, but Mayweather adjusts to all styles. It isn't so much about making a fighter miss but he does it facing all kinds of adversity and again he's taken less punishment than almost any other fighter. You look at the stats De La Hoya found Whitaker but Mayweather really found De La Hoya. Mayweather's hard to hit no matter how you slice it bro. He can stand in the pocket, he can using his legs and movement, or he can walk a fighter down unexpectedly and still not get hit.

I've watched both boxers from the beginnings of their careers. I love Whitaker, what he did at the time was pure artistry. What's kinda weird is he lost on points to De La Hoya but bested him statistically, politics? Mayweather landed almost fifty percent of his punches against De La Hoya yet he was only awarded a split decision, politics?

[A-Wolf]

I know right. It's cool to forget that the same moves Iverson was able to pull off on sub par athletes, he was able to pull off those exact same moves on Michael. It's cool to ignore that though, I understand lol. Iverson only shined against "Hoosiers".

Anybody can burn anybody in the NBA just like Floyd Mayweather eats leather when he actually leaves himself in position to get hit. You see? I can speak in riddles too.

The man would have you going in directions he wants you to go in, and be on the completely other side of you, and walking off while doing a little dance. That's called movement.

^^^^^^^^^^

[A-Wolf]

I disagree, a coked up Whitaker did great against De La Hoya, but Mayweather was hit less and landed more. The fight wasn't as close as some try to suggest. In my opinion, looking at both fighters over their careers I believe Mayweather to be the more skilled overall.



I don't completely agree, I do agree that Sweet Pea would stand right in the pocket and make his opponents miss, it was a thing to behold, but Mayweather adjusts to all styles. It isn't so much about making a fighter miss but he does it facing all kinds of adversity and again he's taken less punishment than almost any other fighter. You look at the stats De La Hoya found Whitaker but Mayweather really found De La Hoya. Mayweather's hard to hit no matter how you slice it bro. He can stand in the pocket, he can using his legs and movement, or he can walk a fighter down unexpectedly and still not get hit.

I've watched both boxers from the beginnings of their careers. I love Whitaker, what he did at the time was pure artistry. What's kinda weird is he lost on points to De La Hoya but bested him statistically, politics? Mayweather landed almost fifty percent of his punches against De La Hoya yet he was only awarded a split decision, politics?

This De La Hoya paradigm thing isn't much to go on. No?

[SlySlickSmooth]

Let's put it this way. Past prime, coked out Pernell was making Oscar miss in the center of the ring, and clowning him.

Floyd was relegated to the ropes, and getting hit constantly to the body.

2 different levels of defense, imo.

This is what I was thinking.