Prime Chavez Sr. Vs Prime Floyd Mayweather Jr.

[BUNGALOWS]

He might be stronger but no way is he quicker.

His speed for his padwork in training for Gatti for example is absolute night and day compared to his padwork in the build up for Canelo.

Hell, his speed in the Ortiz build up even was much faster in comparison to Canelo build up.

He's declined quite a lot in the last 2 years and he's well well well passed his prime at this point.

Is this some type of joke? Watch his upper body movement in the Mosley/guerrero/Ortiz/Canelo fights. It's much quicker than in previous years at WW, and watch his single shot hand speed. It's even faster.

Also, his footwork and foot movement haven't changed a bit, since he's gotten back with Floyd Sr. I don't care about how he looked doing some pad work. That means absolutely nothing.

I'm seeing with my own eye how much stronger and faster twitched muscles he has in his upper body.

If you can't see it, you're blind.

[A_Jeffrey]

I'm on Instagram and that page CrownBoxing asked this.

Very interesting matchup. I'm not sure who to pick, I think this is a 50/50 fight.


Who do you guys think would've won? Prime for prime.

Chaves would but**** Mayweather worse then Maidana but****ed Broner

[BUNGALOWS]

And there's a noticeable increase in his punching power.

Comparing the Floyd that fought Hatton to the more recent versions of Floyd is like night and day. Way more powerful now.

[IronDanHamza]

Is this some type of joke? Watch his upper body movement in the Mosley/guerrero/Ortiz/Canelo fights. It's much quicker than in previous years at WW, and watch his single shot hand speed. It's even faster.

Also, his footwork and foot movement haven't changed a bit, since he's gotten back with Floyd Sr. I don't care about how he looked doing some pad work. That means absolutely nothing.

I'm seeing with my own eye how much stronger and faster twitched muscles he has in his upper body.

If you can't see it, you're blind.

I was just using the pads in the build up as an example of the difference in handspeed. His handspeed is definitely much much slower than it was back in the mid 00's and it's quite a lot slower since 2011 even, I would say.

I wouldn't say it means nothing, I think it means quite a lot. His hands are moving considerably slower and that's due to his age and decline.

I think there's a noticeable difference between Mosley/Ortiz and Guererro/Canelo let alone earlier years.

It's normal, he's been professional 18 years and is heading toward 40. I think it's difficult to argue he's in his prime.

[BUNGALOWS]

I was just using the pads in the build up as an example of the difference in handspeed. His handspeed is definitely much much slower than it was back in the mid 00's and it's quite a lot slower since 2011 even, I would say.

I wouldn't say it means nothing, I think it means quite a lot. His hands are moving considerably slower and that's due to his age and decline.

I think there's a noticeable difference between Mosley/Ortiz and Guererro/Canelo let alone earlier years.

It's normal, he's been professional 18 years and is heading toward 40. I think it's difficult to argue he's in his prime.

I think his single shot hand speed is more explosive now, and his upper body strength is definitely stronger. You're right, I had to go back and re watch a few minutes of the Guerrero/Mosley/Canelo fights compared to the Zab/Oscar fights, and he's a tad slower in fast twitch muscle.

But still, the guy's juicing like a maniac right now. His head is the size of a damn basketball for God's sake. If you know what you're looking at, you can see the PED face going on with his face. It's the look of his face wants to explode off his head look.

[IronDanHamza]

Here's the 3 seperate training nsessions incase anyone's intrested.

Gatti 05 - 11 minutes in



Ortiz 2011 -



Canelo 2013 -




I think there's a considerable difference between all three. Especially from 05-13. Which is understandable considering it's 8 years difference.

[IronDanHamza]

I think his single shot hand speed is more explosive now, and his upper body strength is definitely stronger. You're right, I had to go back and re watch a few minutes of the Guerrero/Mosley/Canelo fights compared to the Zab/Oscar fights, and he's a tad slower in fast twitch muscle.

But still, the guy's juicing like a maniac right now. His head is the size of a damn basketball for God's sake.

He's still damn fast don't get me wrong. But he was much faster IMO before.

I'd say he's stronger now. Possibly down to his decline in his legs. Could possibly be why he has abit more pop but I don't really think he has more power to be honest. He's a decent puncher now like he always has been. Solid pop but not much more.

I think his reflexes and all round ability is definitely declining, the Cotto fight his reaction time was slow at times which is something I'm not used to seeing.

[BUNGALOWS]

Here's the 3 seperate training nsessions incase anyone's intrested.

Gatti 05 - 11 minutes in



Ortiz 2011 -



Canelo 2013 -




I think there's a considerable difference between all three. Especially from 05-13. Which is understandable considering it's 8 years difference.

I know, I took it back. I re watched his older fights compared to his more recent fights, and he's a tad slower.

Namely, the Zab and Oscar fight, it's the most noticeable.

Still, to keep that same speed, and be even stronger, and punch harder, PEDs!!!

At the age of 36.

[BUNGALOWS]

He's still damn fast don't get me wrong. But he was much faster IMO before.

I'd say he's stronger now. Possibly down to his decline in his legs. Could possibly be why he has abit more pop but I don't really think he has more power to be honest. He's a decent puncher now like he always has been. Solid pop but not much more.

I think his reflexes and all round ability is definitely declining, the Cotto fight his reaction time was slow at times which is something I'm not used to seeing.

I think the Cotto fight was a Roger vs. Floyd Sr. thing. With Floyd Sr. the upper body movement, and use of the legs is noticeably better.

Cotto's jab was timing him, but I don't think an opponent can make you look physically slower than you actually are. You can be getting your butt whooped, but still look as fast as you are.

[IronDanHamza]

I know, I took it back. I re watched his older fights compared to his more recent fights, and he's a tad slower.

Namely, the Zab and Oscar fight, it's the most noticeable.

Still, to keep that same speed, and be even stronger, and punch harder, PEDs!!!

At the age of 36.

We disagree on the difference in speed. I think it's considerable not just a slight difference.

The Oscar fight coincidentally I thought he looked quite slow. First fight at 154 and to me he's never looked great at 154 physically as opposed to 147. Looked abit bulky to me and abit slower.

I think he's quite considerably worse in pretty much every category. Other than I think he's physically abit stronger now in clinches and such as opposed to the 00's.

Although, Cotto was completely manhandling him in the clinch when they fought.

Abit of a basless line of thought here but I personally think that's why he's started to box more after that fight as opposed to fight toe to toe. I think he fell for the "hype" that he's really strong in clinch after the Mosley fight and after Cotto was clearly much stronger than him he re-evaluated that.