Taylor, Lacy, Berto and now Broner.....

[Rome-By-Ko]

Taylor,what the hell dude??TBH even Broner is a bit premature,it's his first loss and he was not KO'd in a rd or something..He's I believe 23 yrs old and has room to improve..IMO Taylor and Broner don;t belong on this list,Taylor for obvious reasons,and Broner cause,He young Doe!!!!!

[El Jesus]

oh yeah and Hopkins power punches are really like jabs.........

I don't think Tito would agree.

[Rome-By-Ko]

In both fights, punches landed were identical. Remember Taylor's jab is like a power punch. You had to look at the fact that Taylor built a lead early. The thing with the Taylor-Hopkins fights was that Hopkins outlanded Taylor overall in power punches landed, but scoring it round by round you would score a close fight.

I would love to go back and watch the fights but the quality is so ugly, I would get heart attack watching such crap quality.

I scored the first fight for Taylor and the second fight for B-Hop..Those were some close fights right there..

[daggum]

I scored the first fight for Taylor and the second fight for B-Hop..Those were some close fights right there..

I really don't see how the first fight could ever be scored for taylor. Hopkins dominated the last 4 rounds and won at least 2 out of the first 8 pretty clearly. whatever some people thought calzaghe won for whiffing at air so its pointless to argue this fight since it was a lot closer.

[Rome-By-Ko]

I really don't see how the first fight could ever be scored for taylor. Hopkins dominated the last 4 rounds and won at least 2 out of the first 8 pretty clearly. whatever some people thought calzaghe won for whiffing at air so its pointless to argue this fight since it was a lot closer.

I thought both fights were close tho,I thought B-Hop beat Joey Zags..It was a tight fight tho..IMO Taylor B-Hop(both fights)could have went either way..

[BoxingWave]

taylor beat bernard hopkins twice. this was broner's first loss....relax

[Weebler I]

There was never a solid backing from th media that said broner had next. It was mostly golden boy. This thread uses the word "American" when the op really just means "black". Broner was a golden boy hype job and that's about it. To single those guys out especially Taylor is very telling of how dumb the ops agenda is. Hype jobs exist in every country in the world but u feel th need to single out a few guys who didn't live up to it. Full broner but this is just ******. Lts concentrate on hatin on broner ***** ass and leave the other b.s out of it

OP's use of "American" was a reference to the media.

No media hypes up boxing prospects like the US and UK, although Mexico did a pretty unprecedented job with Canelo.

taylor beat bernard hopkins twice. this was broner's first loss....relax

Pretty hefty beating, the type a fighter doesn't always come back well from. He took it well, but I think it was his first meeting with a genuine power puncher and it didn't go well.

[luke1979]

There was never a solid backing from th media that said broner had next. It was mostly golden boy. This thread uses the word "American" when the op really just means "black". Broner was a golden boy hype job and that's about it. To single those guys out especially Taylor is very telling of how dumb the ops agenda is. Hype jobs exist in every country in the world but u feel th need to single out a few guys who didn't live up to it. Full broner but this is just ******. Lts concentrate on hatin on broner ***** ass and leave the other b.s out of it

So you are accusing me of being racist and dumb...wow. I'm only referring to the media hype machine not so much any of the particular boxers. You see a racist agenda where one simply doesn't exist. I forgot to add Kelly Pavlik to the list but you would probably think I'm being disingenuous.
I also said that if anyone should have more media muscle behind them it is Andre Ward so I don't get why you think I'm a racist.

[luke1979]

In general there has been a fair amount of misunderstanding of my original point. Some veiled accusations of racism also and straight up insults. There also seems to be a consensus that Jermain Taylor shouldn't be part of the conversation.
So to try and address this firstly I need to say that I forgot to include Kelly Pavlik on the list. I don't use nor agree with the term hypejob. All the fighters mentioned never asked to be put on a pedestal ( Broner encouraged it though). The media in the US in hyping these guys prematurely in my opinion only served to put too much pressure on them. And as a result when they lost they are treated like yesterday's news. Instead of just human in a tough sport where on any given night to the right opponent a loss is inevitable.
The super six was a good start in changing this attitude toward the importance placed on a perfect record and showed that a loss wasn't and should never have been such a big deal.
But when young guys have this much pressure and yes men around them they can naturally start to believe their own hype and a loss can be therefore harder to mentally come back from. The media creates an everything or nothing situation for talented fighters with potential, this is a shame. They create a bubble that the fighters live in and when they lose and it bursts there is no safety net and they are on their own.
So what I've been saying from the start is they should just slow down a bit and not get ahead of themselves.
Yes Jermain Taylor is a great fighter, all the guys on the list are great fighters. Take Lacy as a case in point, he has said himself that after the loss to Calzaghe he felt like going from a superstar to zero overnight. It's not how he felt about himself but how the media and all the yes men treated him before and after, that hurt his confidence more than losing to the better man on the night. It's only boxing he could have got over that. But being shunned by all the people who 5 minutes ago treated you like a god is hard for a young man to take. In short it's a betrayal and that hurts and takes a lot to come to terms with.
In any case thanks for all the responses, I'm gunna go shove a crystal ball up my ass.

[billeau2]

In general there has been a fair amount of misunderstanding of my original point. Some veiled accusations of racism also and straight up insults. There also seems to be a consensus that Jermain Taylor shouldn't be part of the conversation.
So to try and address this firstly I need to say that I forgot to include Kelly Pavlik on the list. I don't use nor agree with the term hypejob. All the fighters mentioned never asked to be put on a pedestal ( Broner encouraged it though). The media in the US in hyping these guys prematurely in my opinion only served to put too much pressure on them. And as a result when they lost they are treated like yesterday's news. Instead of just human in a tough sport where on any given night to the right opponent a loss is inevitable.
The super six was a good start in changing this attitude toward the importance placed on a perfect record and showed that a loss wasn't and should never have been such a big deal.
But when young guys have this much pressure and yes men around them they can naturally start to believe their own hype and a loss can be therefore harder to mentally come back from. The media creates an everything or nothing situation for talented fighters with potential, this is a shame. They create a bubble that the fighters live in and when they lose and it bursts there is no safety net and they are on their own.
So what I've been saying from the start is they should just slow down a bit and not get ahead of themselves.
Yes Jermain Taylor is a great fighter, all the guys on the list are great fighters. Take Lacy as a case in point, he has said himself that after the loss to Calzaghe he felt like going from a superstar to zero overnight. It's not how he felt about himself but how the media and all the yes men treated him before and after, that hurt his confidence more than losing to the better man on the night. It's only boxing he could have got over that. But being shunned by all the people who 5 minutes ago treated you like a god is hard for a young man to take. In short it's a betrayal and that hurts and takes a lot to come to terms with.
In any case thanks for all the responses, I'm gunna go shove a crystal ball up my ass.

Not so fast....

I think a lot of posters assumed that a good fighter cannot be a hype job. I actually think Taylor was overhyped. I don't think he beat Hopkins either time. And it showed because after the HOpkins fights wouldn't you know it? He losr some fights people thought he would win. Taylor never really lived up to his potential and especially at the time there was a lot of that "hype job energy" surrounding him after his loses.

Taylor was very strong and it turns out he gave Hopkins some problems (fair enough) due to his strength....but at that time grandpa Hopkins was hated by the boxing decision makers...he was beating up fighters who were supposed to become the suoerstars of tomorrow!

Its funny how people forget....In the first fight one judge gave Taylor the last round when Taylor was practically 10-8ed! I mean the decision was a robbwry and as if to reaffirm this fact Taylor was quite mediocre and eventually exposed as a flawed fighter.

Sounds like a hype job to me.