The USA "GETTING RAN OUT OF BOXING" Debt clock and counting.

[The Big Dunn]

Not a threat to the top, you barely have any champs from middle weight upwards and have not had a heavyweight champ since 1996. That is horrible especially as the heavyweight division is so "weak".

Wladimir is the most dominant fighter in the world bar none, he literally doesnt get touched. and in many people opinions hes a ATG,SOME SAY the best ever.

GGG and Kovalaev are highly likely to unify the divions with Hopkins and quillin getting outed...

Again, over exaggerated opinions. In the ring, doesn't happen.

2 of wlads 3 losses-Americans. Since 2009 he has only defeated 2 Americans. GGG and Kov, the bulk of their wins against non US fighters. the US wins they have are not top tier.

Its the same over reaction that happened with basketball. Its one thing to have your best dominate our middle. when we trot out our best we see what happens.

[johnm is...]

Saying someone is a level above someone else has nothing, at least that's not what I read from it, to do with resume.

Because in that department, of course Bradley ices Thurman. Bradley is a seasoned champion who's 30 or 31 and Thurman is an up-and-comer looking to kick the door down.

If we're talking about those two matching up against each other in the near future, which is what I got from it, I wouldn't see Bradley as a level above Thurman. Especially when I look at how Bradley dealt with Provodnikov who I see as very inferior to Thurman.

So you'd look at how he dealt with Provodnikov, but not how clearly he beat Marquez? I don't think it's as simple as just picking a fight where a guy struggled and claiming that's a good enough reason. Thurman fights nothing like Provodnikov. Sometimes styles just make for a more interesting fight than what it probably should have been.

Thurman struggled for several rounds against Chaves. He settled in and got it done, but he still didn't look fantastic doing it.

[MDPopescu]

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GGG and Kov, the bulk of their wins against non US fighters. the US wins they have are not top tier.

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Of course: there are cohorts of top tier U.S. fighters who called them into the ring...

(Don't mention B-Hop: it's only GBP business...)

[The Big Dunn]

Thurman would put their lights out given half a chance.

I would disagree despite Thurman being a powerful young fighter.

I wouldn't call Tim Bradley a level above Thurman.

Come on LacedUp, give Tim credit where its due. I'm not even counting the manny BS win.

[LacedUp]

So you'd look at how he dealt with Provodnikov, but not how clearly he beat Marquez? I don't think it's as simple as just picking a fight where a guy struggled and claiming that's a good enough reason. Thurman fights nothing like Provodnikov. Sometimes styles just make for a more interesting fight than what it probably should have been.

Thurman struggled for several rounds against Chaves. He settled in and got it done, but he still didn't look fantastic doing it.

Of course I look at all these things. But I rate Thurman as a boxer, I really do. I think he does most things really well. He moves well, he can counter punch, box of the front foot, back foot, punches hard, throws all the punches in the book. The guy is a pretty complete package to me.

Bradley is a good fighter, I'm not taking anything away from him. I think he's good. But I just haven't seen anything from him, where I thought WOW. He does all things well and can take a punch and has a great heart - and I also know he didn't listen to his corner that night against Provo.

Anyways, I'll i'm saying is that I don't think Bradley is a level above, so to speak. As in, Thurman couldn't beat him. I think he could. But I also think Bradley could beat him.

Come on LacedUp, give Tim credit where its due. I'm not even counting the manny BS win.

I think Tim Bradley is a very good fighter! I do. And his resume obviously ****s on Thurman's without question. Obviously it does.

I'm just saying, if they were to fight, I wouldn't be surprised if Thurman won. Bradley is a good little fighter, but he's not a decisive winner in big fights if we're completely honest. He has a lot of close fights, against good fighters granted, like Ruslan, Pacquiao, Marquez, Witter and was it Kendall Holt that dropped him like a sack of potatoes? Kudos to him for getting up from that, I didn't see him getting up.

[slimshandy69]

Again, over exaggerated opinions. In the ring, doesn't happen.

2 of wlads 3 losses-Americans. Since 2009 he has only defeated 2 Americans. GGG and Kov, the bulk of their wins against non US fighters. the US wins they have are not top tier.

Its the same over reaction that happened with basketball. Its one thing to have your best dominate our middle. when we trot out our best we see what happens.

whats your iq?

you do realise that theres a strong to postive corelation to America being crap at boxing and wlad fighting less yanks??? That makes my case stronger not weaker, Haye, povetkin and pulev are all top ranked heavyweights when wlad fought/fights them.

Wlad revenged lematn brewster and destroyed him...

Stop picking and choosing.

[The Big Dunn]

whats your iq?

you do realise that theres a strong to postive corelation to America being crap at boxing and wlad fighting less yanks??? That makes my case stronger not weaker, Haye, povetkin and pulev are all top ranked heavyweights when wlad fought/fights them.

Wlad revenged lematn brewster and destroyed him...

Stop picking and choosing.

I already agreed with you US boxing is in decline.

I posted the facts to show you that wlad's dominance is against non americans while his losses have been against americans.

Besides-when wlad got KTFO a 3rd time where did he go for help. Yup, you guessed it-Emannuel Steward, from Kronk located in... wait for it...

Detroit, U S A

Patience, grasshopper. If you get to the top, celebrate then.

[Weebler I]

Its the same over reaction that happened with basketball. Its one thing to have your best dominate our middle. when we trot out our best we see what happens.

I don't think US boxing is currently in trouble, but I'm not really seeing many who can rule a division from the next generation.

Ward (SM), Andrade (LM), Thurman (WW), Crawford (LW/JW), Garcia (JL)

Some of those are debatable, any more?

[Wuckoo]

I already agreed with you US boxing is in decline.

I posted the facts to show you that wlad's dominance is against non americans while his losses have been against americans.

Besides-when wlad got KTFO a 3rd time where did he go for help. Yup, you guessed it-Emannuel Steward, from Kronk located in... wait for it...

Detroit, U S A

Patience, grasshopper. If you get to the top, celebrate then.

Exactly, op forgets that old Emmanuel has trained a lot of non Americans who are doing pretty well.

[The Big Dunn]

I don't think US boxing is currently in trouble, but I'm not really seeing many who can rule a division from the next generation.

Ward (SM), Andrade (LM), Thurman (WW), Crawford (LW/JW), Garcia (JL)

Some of those are debatable, any more?

Broner, Figueroa and Wilder are all possibilities as well. Errol Spence is a prospect that is promising too. Mikey Garcia when he gets back in the ring.

If you look at the amateur ranks, the US is declining. In part because boxing isn't as big in the US anymore, in part because the Leonards, Floyds, Roy Jones, and wards don't come along every day. Also there is a dearth of boxing gyms in the urban/rural areas.