Comments Thread For: Brandon Rios Takes Another Hit With Failed Drug Test

[TaurusJ27]

Brandon"the idiot" Rios will deny everything.

[kamikaze_ero]

The 'catch' has little meaning though because Brandon Rios will walk-away free from penalties. At best, he may face a monetary fine from the Chinese Commission. But Rios will be free to take his next fight as soon as he wants, because VADA does not penalize athletes like NSAC or USADA does. VADA is good, but this is one of the 'loopholes' that exist when they are used.

If it were NSAC or USADA that caught Rios, he would be facing a suspension of some sort at the very least.

no for USADA...USADA is the worst by far of all testing agencies....they have history of hiding positive test result(Floyd 3x positive result for peds uncovered by Hauser), thrown positive test result sample of Winky Wright, still allowed the fight of danny garcia and Morales after the latter tested positive result....for NSAC, test is not as stringent as VADA....so VADA is the most credible and reliable testing agency of them all....

[PunchyPotorff]

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[Pinoy4ever]

Ariza better stop stuttering and get The **** out of boxing

[BuckToothed]

no for USADA...USADA is the worst by far of all testing agencies....they have history of hiding positive test result(Floyd 3x positive result for peds uncovered by Hauser), thrown positive test result sample of Winky Wright, still allowed the fight of danny garcia and Morales after the latter tested positive result....for NSAC, test is not as stringent as VADA....so VADA is the most credible and reliable testing agency of them all....

I still don't understand why this is still being argued, VADA > USADA.
VADA caught rios, berto, peterson and prolly would have caught JMM if he would have manned up to Bradley's request.

While Morales, the only one USADA caught, is wiping his ass with that supposed ban after pooping contaminated beef and living la vida loca with his purse in Mexico.

[LAPete]

Not good! Don't really know what to make of this or who to blame even though it might be pretty obvious who is responsible to many. I want to give Robert Garcia the benefit of the doubt but i can't say the same for Ariza after he exposed his character the the entire world with that stunt he pulled during the final days of pre-fight training in China. I love this sport way to much to let sacred cows off the hook.

[lutenco]

How is it possible this man made 135 for a title fight and never did it again??? He cheated the title fight and then never found a way to struggle to 135 but damn this fight was a welterweight fight...WHAT IS HIS WEIGHT TO FIGHT I ASK MYSELF??? ARIZA,what a strange position for RIOS' conditioning coach!!!

[radioraheem]

I still don't understand why this is still being argued, VADA > USADA.
VADA caught rios, berto, peterson and prolly would have caught JMM if he would have manned up to Bradley's request.

While Morales, the only one USADA caught, is wiping his ass with that supposed ban after pooping contaminated beef and living la vida loca with his purse in Mexico.

How is Morales wiping anything? Morales is officially suspended for 2-years. Have you seen Morales fighting in the United States after that? Nope! That's a fact.

USADA has a far greater reputation and an international reputation than VADA. But that doesn't mean VADA isn't good.

[radioraheem]

no for USADA...USADA is the worst by far of all testing agencies....they have history of hiding positive test result(Floyd 3x positive result for peds uncovered by Hauser), thrown positive test result sample of Winky Wright, still allowed the fight of danny garcia and Morales after the latter tested positive result....for NSAC, test is not as stringent as VADA....so VADA is the most credible and reliable testing agency of them all....

Are you really trying to attack USADA? Because that can easily be done for VADA as well. VADA is the creation of Victor Conte. He has specifically said this in the past, but the Conte puppet writers like Hauser, have failed to see this.

For instance, Conte just revealed a day ago to Alex Ariza, how and why Brandon Rios got caught with a positive. Conte specifically said that VADA doesn't test for stimulants before a fight. But on fight / performance day, they test for stimulants.

@ArizaFitness says BR passed 4 tests? All were out of competition tests & do NOT include STIMULANTS. In competition (fight) tests DO!

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Victor Conte (@VictorConte) December 14, 2013

This is knowledge that has been previously unknown to the public before Conte opened his mouth. And this is detailed knowledge that only someone with major power at VADA could know.

[liuj88]

The impression you are describing applies to VADA. VADA only releases results to the governing bodies, and the governing bodies decide whether to accept the results and sanction the athletes.

USADA is different in that they themselves decide the sanction! And they make athletes abide to this legally when they sign USADA contracts. And then take it further to make sure the governing bodies honor the sanction as well. That is also why whenever you see athletes trying to dispute USADA's ruling, it is always dealt with in court. Never dealt with through the governing bodies.

It is also why Lance Armstrong fought tried to fight USADA tooth and nail. It is also why athletes cut snitch 'deals' directly with USADA. If USADA was really powerless, that couldn't and wouldn't happen. It's just an example.

Thank you for trying to clarify, but it seems to me that you reached your conclusion by inference, and not from direct evidence. I am not trying to be difficult, but you have not supported your claim about USADA's authority/jurisdiction to impose sanctions.

Let me approach this differently: The way I look at this is, USADA, VADA, WADA, and other anti-doping organizations have their testing protocols, and I don't think anyone disputes that.

It makes sense to me that athletes have to agree to drug testing before any of it proceeds, and this is where the contracts come in, with whichever anti-doping organization.

Now, whether athletes agree to it voluntarily bec. they want to make the point that they're clean (like Nonito Donaire did when he underwent VADA testing), or whether their sports league/governing body "forces" them because they choose to abide by USADA's (or VADA's, or WADA's, or any other's) protocols and results, is not so relevant to my asking for clarification.

For example, it doesn't matter to me that the US Olympic Committee may have decided to abide by USADA's protocols/results. But the Olympic athletes aren't bound by USADA--they are bound by the USOC's rules, are they not?

Now, USADA may very well recommend the extent of sanctions (and I don't know if this is the case) on a failed athlete. But unless the sports' governing bodies decided beforehand to abide by its recommendations, whatever they say will have no teeth. You claim that they "make sure" the governing bodies honor those sanctions. How exactly do they do that, and where is the evidence for this?

To say that USADA can unilaterally sanction any of their tested/failed athletes is equivalent to saying that these sports' governing bodies have ceded their authority and jurisdiction over their own athletes to an organization whose main reason for being is testing athletes for banned substances. This just isn't credible to me, without direct evidence.

Is it not more likely, perhaps even more sensible, for the governing bodies to keep separate (1)their acceptance of USADA's, VADA's, and other testing organizations' protocols/results, and (2) the punishment process?

It was UCI, professional cycling's governing body (and maybe others), **not** USADA, that banned Lance Armstrong from professional competition. To the best of my knowledge, UCI accepted USADA's results, then decided to ban Armstrong ***under UCI's own authority***.

It makes sense for Lance Armstrong to have gone to court, to try to invalidate the test results. It would've been silly for him to sue UCI when they simply based the punishment on USADA's test results.

As an analogy: A business owner can hire an external company to perform routine drug testing for all of his employees. He can decide to use positive drug test results as a basis for the immediate termination/punishment of the failed employee. He informs all of his employees, and proceeds with the testing. If an employee fails a drug test, and is terminated, this employee can go to the drug testing company to contest the validity of the results, NOT to the business owner to insist that he remain on the job. (USADA's web site describes an adjudication process for just such a scenario.)

The list of sanctioned athletes on USADA's web site can be used (1) as a reference by the public, and also (2) as advertising material and credibility builder by USADA. Not as any indication of USADA's "authority" beyond its own testing procedures/protocols.