Are The Klitschkos Some of The Worst Heavyweight Champions Of All Time?

[Weltschmerz]

Great champions. There's different ways we measure guys against each other. Sometimes via opposition, sometimes intangible p4p, sometimes head to head. In some of the other ways they don't measure up to the greatness of past champs due to the weak era, although Wlad's title defense streak is starting to stake a claim for true greatness. But in terms of "head to head" they easily stand with the greatest especially Vitali who would give any champ in history a run for his money and probably beat them all due to his skillful size alone

Good post.

[Jewish-Reptile]

For me,both.

Vitali is a beast in the ring and looks unbeatable,even in his defeats,he was winning on all cards right ? take away his left arm through a rotator cuff tear with around 9 rounds remaining and he still wins a unanimous decision on all cards,you're talking about a guy who simply does not know what defeat is.

I would have thought in Vitali's own mind he is still undefeated,in his only losses which really we're caused by injuries,not that I am saying the fight with Lewis should not have been stopped,I fully agreed with the stoppage.hard to take at the time,but fully respected afterwards.maybe a rematch would have alleviated much criticism of Lewis afterwards,we'll never know who the was the better athlete IMO stopping a guy on cuts whilst being on the cards is not an honorable win IMO,in Vitali's win over Charr is was obvious and blatant from the beginning who the classier and better athlete was,right up until the untimely stoppage.

but IMO Lewis was in his prime at 37,look at Wladimir and Mayweather now (both 37),and Vitali at 37 when he was blowing out the previously unstopped Arreola and Peter and also the former cruiser weight king Gomez,he was in his absolute physical prime,but unfortunately had 4 years stolen from him previously,looking at what he could have achieved in those years of his absence really detracts from what his legacy could and should have been.in my eyes he would have unified all the titles before his brother had a chance to regain a singular title after his second career loss to Sanders.

The tragedy for Vitali is his younger brother holds all the other belts which through honor and a family promise will and has prevented him from proving he is the superior of the two.I don't believe he has ever made any bones about it,and why should he,you've only to look at the brothers before a fight begins and whilst the action is underway to realize they have an unbreakable bond,not seen between every sibling pair.

They are both two truly remarkable athletes,that I am glad to have witnessed their era of domination firsthand.

Thats my opinion anyway.

[Jewish-Reptile]

Are they two ATG's,absolutely and indefinitely.that isn't judging Vitali on what he could and should have achieved,its recognition of what he has achieved and in the manner of how achieved it in his victories with the opponents at his disposal.

one thing that will always begrudge me is the reluctance of King and Valuev to commit to a deal for Valuev to be iced by Vitali.a fight that never materialized and deeply frustrates Vitali himself.I think a KO victory over Valuev would have been inevitable and one of a few crowning moments in his career,ranking up there with some of his other best wins.I would personally love to see Vitali retire his career on the back of a KO win over Fury,that would be a fitting end to a remarkable career.should he continue his career against Stiverne I would like him to defend against Fury in a final curtain affair.

[Jewish-Reptile]

Great champions. There's different ways we measure guys against each other. Sometimes via opposition, sometimes intangible p4p, sometimes head to head. In some of the other ways they don't measure up to the greatness of past champs due to the weak era, although Wlad's title defense streak is starting to stake a claim for true greatness. But in terms of "head to head" they easily stand with the greatest especially Vitali who would give any champ in history a run for his money and probably beat them all due to his skillful size alone

Fully agreed.

Vitali's biggest threat to his inclusion to be an ATG is his own brothers success in defeating all comers in front of him,due to the fact these guys perceived Wladimir as the weaker link !

[LacedUp]

Complete bullshit post.

Are you planning on arguing why my post was bs? or was that just another one of your nuthugger responses?

[New England]

the worst of all time?

no.

primo carnera, tommy burns, jess willard, are all much worst fighters. all lineal champs, those three.


vitali was never the lineal champion, anyway. he was just a title holder.

it's a shame, because i think he would stop his brother in his prime. wladimir has the much better resume, but i thought vitali would beat him.

[A_Jeffrey]

the worst of all time?

no.

primo carnera, tommy burns, jess willard, are all much worst fighters. all lineal champs, those three.


vitali was never the lineal champion, anyway. he was just a title holder.

it's a shame, because i think he would stop his brother in his prime. wladimir has the much better resume, but i thought vitali would beat him.

wrong, Vitaly was a lineal champion after Lewis retired.

[New England]

they'll be rememered most for their brotherhood. two brothers dominated the division together. that's pretty f#cking cool, if you ask me. in 50 years people will still be talking about that.

[A_Jeffrey]

Of course Klitchkos are ATGs.

[New England]

wrong, Vitaly was a lineal champion after Lewis retired.

i can assume that you're referring to a lineage established by boxing sanders, and defended once againsts williams. woohoo! rofl.

that's still nothing to write home about when you're talking about the most coveted title in the history of the sport.